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    This is Free New Zealand, Public Land.




    This is a side of New Zealand people are not told about. New Zealand's clean Green Image. 1080 poison is dropped all over public land in the attempt by AHB and Doc to irradicate the possum.
    Unfortunately it kills everything that breaths. This poison is so Toxic it Kills Everything from the possum/Deer that eats it to the worms, and insects that feed on the carcass, to the birds etc
    that feed on them. New Zealand is the only Country that uses 1080, so much so that it Owns the company.
    Last edited by yorky07; 03-01-2014 at 09:50.

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    Speechless

    Neil.

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    I had a member off here out stalking with me, a native New Zealander. He told me all about this. I was stunned to hear this actually goes on.

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    I have always respected the New Zealanders for their no nonsense approach to pest and predator control since working for the DoC while I was there and can fully appreciate the need for a whole spectrum of control measures. They have their common wildlife such as the tui, bell bird, fan birds etc etc but the wildlife like the kiwi and takahe to name a few just do not occur naturally any more without a lot of help and left to fight it out would soon be wiped out.

    One of the places I worked was a mainland island reserve and a poison carrot drop was used to clear a woodland of pests, including pigs, goats and deer, none of which are native, so that the line of traps and first line of defence could then be extended beyond that woodland therefore increasing the extent of the mainland island. A poison carrot drop as a tool to clear the woodland prior to a concerted effort to keep it clear. If they are to win their battle against non natives it seems this is the most effective tool and is very effective. Sad for the individuals that do die as a result of poisoning, no-one disagrees with that but a management tool.

    The antis out there while I was there numerous times put 1080 in many towns water supply and also released mustelids on one of the islands down south to make a point (not sure what point) on an island where kiwis thrived.

    I guess it depends what your values are, native species or non native ones. The difference with their non natives is that left to their own devices a lot of the the natives would be wiped out. The anti culling anything are very similar to those in this country that released mink in the UK, single minded; the other lot that made a lot of noise are those with a hunting interest who wanted more not less deer!

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    Quote Originally Posted by stalker.308 View Post
    I have always respected the New Zealanders for their no nonsense approach to pest and predator control since working for the DoC while I was there and can fully appreciate the need for a whole spectrum of control measures. They have their common wildlife such as the tui, bell bird, fan birds etc etc but the wildlife like the kiwi and takahe to name a few just do not occur naturally any more without a lot of help and left to fight it out would soon be wiped out.

    One of the places I worked was a mainland island reserve and a poison carrot drop was used to clear a woodland of pests, including pigs, goats and deer, none of which are native, so that the line of traps and first line of defence could then be extended beyond that woodland therefore increasing the extent of the mainland island. A poison carrot drop as a tool to clear the woodland prior to a concerted effort to keep it clear. If they are to win their battle against non natives it seems this is the most effective tool and is very effective. Sad for the individuals that do die as a result of poisoning, no-one disagrees with that but a management tool.

    The antis out there while I was there numerous times put 1080 in many towns water supply and also released mustelids on one of the islands down south to make a point (not sure what point) on an island where kiwis thrived.

    I guess it depends what your values are, native species or non native ones. The difference with their non natives is that left to their own devices a lot of the the natives would be wiped out. The anti culling anything are very similar to those in this country that released mink in the UK, single minded; the other lot that made a lot of noise are those with a hunting interest who wanted more not less deer!
    Very well put mate. As allways there are 2 sides to an argument, I was out there last year and it seems the Kiwi is in big trouble. On one reserve a local dog killed 200 in just 2 nights. Every were we went in the bush there was signs totally banning any dogs.
    Tusker

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    Well put! Now take this into consideration. last year about 55k Hectares of bush in the Te Urewara forest park were 1080’d effectively wiping out every Kiwi and other native bird in the area. New Zealand would need to be overrun with pests to wipe out that many natives in one go. Although both Doc and co will tell all that this is not happening. I hunt Te ureweras and it was like a morgue 2 weeks after the drop.
    There are other methods of pest control other than the most toxic substance known to man thrown everywhere to kill indiscriminatley.
    At present the UK is overrun with Non Native Spieces of Deer. I wonder just how well you would protect this method if the UK Gov’t decided to drop it everywhere to wipe out the UK,s excess.

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    On one reserve a local dog killed 200 in just 2 nights.

    Where did this occur??? there is NO record of a Dog killing 200 Kiwis in 2 days. More Doc Hype I think.

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    The Scandinavians used a similar method on diseased rivers with good effect, and stricknine was used for many years in this country, many complaining when it stopped but it was also indiscriminate. I'm not saying its right or wrong in NZ I don't know enough about it but sometimes there are nessasary evils in the bigger picture or longer term, isn't that our reason for deer management when attacked by anti propaganda, if some control isn't used everything suffers anyway in the long term, the only debate is the methods used ind that has to be down to those there in the know not us on the other side of the world.
    LET HE WHO IS WITHOUT SIN CAST THE FIRST STONE & PREVENTION IS BETTER THAN CURE!

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    Quote Originally Posted by yorky07 View Post
    On one reserve a local dog killed 200 in just 2 nights.

    Where did this occur??? there is NO record of a Dog killing 200 Kiwis in 2 days. More Doc Hype I think.
    Just outside Pahia Bay of Islands, it was written on official reserve signpost but I do not know when this occurred
    Tusker

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    A dog killed 200 kiwi.....Hahahah. RUBBISH. As to the antis putting 1080 in town water supplies, I would take that with a very large (DOC flavoured) pinch of salt too.
    It is a regular occurance to find baited cereal pellets in waterways, usually due to wind drift during ariel applications. The science is out there that supposedly proves that 1080 breaks down in water to harmless levels very fast, and therefore does not pose a risk to humans. A fair number of dogs die each year due to eating either baits or more often, possum carcasses that have residual 1080 in them. The dog owners get blamed for not reading the signs that DOC put up.
    NZ is not the only country that uses the stuff, but we do have a lions share of it. The unfortunate thing is that the use of this indiscriminate poison is now so entrenched, that it is going to take many years to change things.

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