Land Reform

Caberhill

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SNP ministers warn lairds about need for 'radical' redistribution of Scottish land - Telegraph

Really?!? What does everyone else think? I'm no pro independence but that's not saying the idea does not strikes at some of the right cords in my heart. BUT! One of the biggest arguments I've heard for independence is to take the decision making powers from Westminster and give them back to Scotland, for my neck of the woods, the Scottish environmental ministers remarks are about as detracted from highland life as any made in London - we would only loose out if a "radical redistribution of land" occurred.

And how do we come about such shifts in landowner ship? What legal right could the government have to force major landowners to give any of it up? Will it make life better for the average working man? No. Will it appeal to the uninformed masses, probably. Will it make life considerably easier for certain local and national authorities to do as they please, oh yes...

I smell a stinking, political agenda of a rat hiding beneath all of this.
 
SNP ministers warn lairds about need for 'radical' redistribution of Scottish land - Telegraph

Really?!? What does everyone else think? I'm no pro independence but that's not saying the idea does not strikes at some of the right cords in my heart. BUT! One of the biggest arguments I've heard for independence is to take the decision making powers from Westminster and give them back to Scotland, for my neck of the woods, the Scottish environmental ministers remarks are about as detracted from highland life as any made in London - we would only loose out if a "radical redistribution of land" occurred.

And how do we come about such shifts in landowner ship? What legal right could the government have to force major landowners to give any of it up? Will it make life better for the average working man? No. Will it appeal to the uninformed masses, probably. Will it make life considerably easier for certain local and national authorities to do as they please, oh yes...

I smell a stinking, political agenda of a rat hiding beneath all of this.

Has more an odour of salmon about it.

K
 
We'll see more stuff like the Richard Attenborough sale scandal.

He owned 1,700 acres on Bute and had secured a deal with the Marquess of Bute to sell the land for £1.6million. Along comes a "community" group, with a public funding backed offer and has their right to buy upheld at the lower price of £1.47million (a loss of £130k to the Attenboroughs). I believe the community group then sold most of it on to the Mount Stuart Estate (ie. 549 of the original 700 hectares) because they couldn't actually find enough cash to pay the bill.
The above is exactly the way the press reported it but that is really a bit of a smokescreen and you have to dig only a little bit further to find out that the Mount Stuart Estate Belongs to the Marquess of Bute.

I wouldn't worry too much about the idea of land reform... the clowns proposing the legislation seldom understand what happens to their proposals in the drafting of the actual laws, or for that matter the existence/prevalence of existing law. ie. What they aim at and what they hit rarely coincide.
 
More crap by the Scottish Nazi Party , they still hope for a yes vote later this year - fat chance - Salmond and his equally fishy mates are deluded .This stinks of soviet style land grabs of the early bolshevic revolution but with greedy mates of Salmond waiting in the sidelines.
 
...they still hope for a yes vote later this year - fat chance...

IT'S NOT THAT IMPOSSIBLE! Even though we are hearing a lot about most being against, genuinely beleive that at the 11th hour there will be a considerable number of the undecided ticking the yes box for no other than reason than "Can't hurt'.
 
Can't wait for all the brave heart fans to vote yes ! Be loads of rifles north of the border for sale cheap soon afterwards :D
 
Been ranting about this all afternoon.
The airgun thing is the thin end of the wedge.........this is a bloody great wadge of it!
 
On independence, we will have either an SNP government, or a Labour one, both of which will do all they can to finish field sports in an independent Scotland. Our only protection is Westminster. The 16 year old voters from the cities wont have a clue, and neither do most of the MSP's who will nearly all be city based....and that is how it will stay for evermore, the peculiarities of Scottish demographics will see to that.

Be careful what you wish for.
 
I will watch the programme tonight with interest and may comment further. But the preview , full of black and white newsreels of grouse shooting and salmon fishing , gave a flavour of what we can expect. A rail against land use for sporting purposes is bound to come to the fore with a cry to give the land to local communities to manage. What they seldom say is how subsidised these estates are with private funds gained to a greater extent in London's square mile. Are we to exchange private subsidy for taxpayer ones? Would the community keep the gamekeeper, stalker, ghillies ,forester etc that are employed here at the moment. It would be a disaster. Any how the idea that it's some absent Duke that owns all the land is a bit inaccurate . What about the Forestry Commission , the RSPB and the MOD? David
 
Any how the idea that it's some absent Duke that owns all the land is a bit inaccurate . What about the Forestry Commission , the RSPB and the MOD? David

They're not even all UK domiciled individuals or organisations. What about all those American, Scandinavian and other mainland European estate owners?
Nothing quite like the prospect of "land reform" to encourage overseas investment in a fledgling economy :doh:

willie_gunn
 
Can't wait for all the brave heart fans to vote yes ! Be loads of rifles north of the border for sale cheap soon afterwards :D

Land reform won't be the problem that causes that phenomenon Rob Gibson is the man for that outcome.

Speaking about DMGs, he said: “They are not statutory, nor is their code of good practice for deer management. The group meetings are rarely if ever held in public. Opinions other than those in support of traditional elite deer stalking are unwelcome.”

and:

“I believe it is time to bring DMGs under statute and make the Code of Good Practice for Deer Management a legal entity,” he said. “I consider the biodiversity of the nation is threatened without a fundamental change.”

the above quotes can be found among many other gems here: http://ardaleditch.wordpress.com/2013/08/26/scottish-deer-management-under-review/
 
Land reform won't be the problem that causes that phenomenon Rob Gibson is the man for that outcome.

Speaking about DMGs, he said: “They are not statutory, nor is their code of good practice for deer management. The group meetings are rarely if ever held in public. Opinions other than those in support of traditional elite deer stalking are unwelcome.”

and:

“I believe it is time to bring DMGs under statute and make the Code of Good Practice for Deer Management a legal entity,” he said. “I consider the biodiversity of the nation is threatened without a fundamental change.”

the above quotes can be found among many other gems here: http://ardaleditch.wordpress.com/2013/08/26/scottish-deer-management-under-review/
oh I agree land reform is a seperate issue but the snp have made it clear they want rid of firearms and shooting sports :(

oh has anybody got a .22 anshuntz for sale in Scotland ? I'll pay 20 quid ? ..... C'mon lads it's twice the compo Alex and his chums are going to give you ;)
 
What matters most is how fairly and produtively the land is used.
Zimbabwe used to be "the bread basket of Africa".
Since the big farms were broken up and given piecemeal to "war veterans" who are only interested in subsistence farming the country has become the basket case of Africa.

The SNP are showing their Socialist side; someone there will be saying soon "to each according to his needs" etc
They are clearly power hungry

Interesting reading (first two books on the page)...

http://www.amazon.co.uk/s/ref=nb_sb...&sprefix=who+owns+scotland+now,stripbooks,334
 
They aim to create a society where all people are equal.
Obviously some will have to be more equal than others mind :evil:
 
If Russell Crowe may come to the rescue of us soft Greenwood types as Robin Longstride-Hood I see no reason to discount him taking on King Alex in “Rape of The Highlands” c2022.

All in HD and with zero CGI misinformation of course.
 
Good to see these comments lads. I thought I was a bit of a voice in the wilderness telling people to watch what Soapy, maybe Slimy, and his pals are up to. Also watch McAskill, the man who put the "M" in muppet, and his devious plans. Very dangerous people and I am delighted that others are on the case.
 
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