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    .257 Roberts

    Just been looking at an interesting rifle but it is only chambered in 257r.

    Anyone use this cal and if so what performance are you getting and what ammunition is on the market in the uk for it?

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    No experience with the calibre so this - with the exception of me encouraging you to buy it (go on - you know you want to!) - is a useless post, but boy would I like to own a rifle in that calibre. By the numbers / on paper it looks like someone redesigned the .243 to increase it's usefulness for deer. Same recoil, lower velocity and heavier bullet for the same energy (e.g. less possibility of meat damage than the .243 - always down to shot placement in the end).

    If I wasn't only a few months into an FAC I'd be asking for a variation for a "Bob". Never get it past the Mrs until she's forgotten about that .308 I bought, but absence makes the heart grow fonder and all that...

    Everyone I've ever asked who shoots one has said they're brilliant, will knock anything in the UK over and are fun to reload. I've been promised a go on three occasions and it still hasn't happened, but fingers crossed. I think factory might be hard to come by, but I believe most of the American manufacturers offer at least one or two possibilities each, so if you asked specially, you'd be able to get hold of something.

    I'm going to have to start looking into that variation...
    Last edited by neutron619; 06-02-2014 at 12:43.

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    Well to put in a variation would do no harm would it... Got to renew later this year anyway. Small steps and all!

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    I am in the middle of building one on an FN98 action..it's gonig to be the angel of death for a lot of roe deer! and I suspect, a rifle I will go to the grave with.

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    I have owned and used a few, and built a few more. It's a great deer round. Think 7x57 necked down to 25 caliber. For a 25 caliber I like it better than the 25-06. Certainly more efficient. Look at Hodgdon's site for performance.~Muir

    (I"d take it hands down over the 243)

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    .257 Ackley Improved

    My records for my reloads show:
    117gr S/Spitzer over 50.5gr H4831sc Av velocity on four shot group 2972fps. Tack driver
    ..................................47.5gr Vit160 Av velocity on four shot group 2967fps. Tack driver.

    Very accurate and flat shooting and a very good kill calibre for all deer species in the UK IMHO.

    The above loads are safe in my rifle but cannot say the same for somebody else's.

    Research the .257 Roberts or the .257 AI on the net and I don't think you will be disappointed.


    ATB


    Max

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cris View Post
    Just been looking at an interesting rifle but it is only chambered in 257r.

    Anyone use this cal and if so what performance are you getting and what ammunition is on the market in the uk for it?
    If this baby is what you're considering you've got to be able to reload.

    http://www.guntrader.co.uk/Guns-For-...Results&Filter[NewType][]=Rifle&Filter[NewMechanism][]=Bolt%20Action&Filter[NewMechanism][]=Falling%20Block&Filter[Calibre][]=.257%20Roberts&perPage=30&sortField=Price&sortOrd er=asc


    I've never seen factory ammunition on sale for it in the UK. If you can reload (you can convert 7x57 cases to .257 Roberts BTW at a pinch) then it will do.

    The problem is that it normally comes chambered in a standard-length action (long) where the .25-06 is available. This killed the .257 off as it will outdo it in every way.

    Also, the factory ammunition .... if you can get hold of any ... is no barnstormer.

    The only factory ammo offered by Winchester (XP257P3C) 117gr RN (even in +P form) ... when clocked in 22" barrels only delivers about 2610 FPS @ 1770 FPE.

    You can push it faster yourself, but both the Hornady and Speer manuals max out with the 117 - 120gr at 2800 FPS in standard barrel lengths. That's what the books say. The .257AI is a better performer, but that's not what you're looking at.

    From 2 reference sources I've got, the .257 in a Winchester M70, and a Ruger No. 1-B was also disappointingly accurate with both factory & handloaded ammunition. That's not a complaint you hear often about the .243 or the .25-06.

    It's not difficult to make up ammo for it if you've some experience. It would be interesting as a project, but even with all the reloading gear in this ad. on offer I'd really have to think about it....... like 'why bother at all?'

    The .257 has a few fans as you can see from above, but it's languishing in the calibre stakes even in the USA for good reasons. In the UK it's in nowhere land, or you wouldn't be asking for advice despite the bargain price this rifle's going for.
    If I'm going to be accused of it then it's just as well I did it.

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    Well that's mostly why I posted as I couldn't find the calibre listed in RWS or Norma ammunition catalogues. Its not a thread about what calibre is better than another as there is no better round than the 243 as we all know. Just looking at a particular rifle only chambered for some reason in this calibre from the US.
    I gave up faffing with reloading about 20 years ago so I guess for me its not going anywhere but thanks for all the info guys.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cris View Post
    Well that's mostly why I posted as I couldn't find the calibre listed in RWS or Norma ammunition catalogues. Its not a thread about what calibre is better than another as there is no better round than the 243 as we all know. Just looking at a particular rifle only chambered for some reason in this calibre from the US.
    I gave up faffing with reloading about 20 years ago so I guess for me its not going anywhere but thanks for all the info guys.
    I do think the .257 Roberts has an edge over the .243 for deer, but it just got swept away by the tide in the 1950's. 6mm is popular as a dual purpose vermin/deer round in Europe too, but .257" is peculiar to the U.S. so it's always going to be harder to get ammo here, if not the bits to make it up.

    For some reason Ruger rifles seem to come up quite often in the two .25 cals, with Remington more popular in the .25-06. Many people here don't fancy these makes, or American rifles at all for that matter so that doesn't help the .257 Rob either.

    If there was only one left-handed rifle on the planet in this calibre only then I would have to buy it, but as the 6.5mm will be here for eternity there's no need to worry.
    If I'm going to be accused of it then it's just as well I did it.

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    I think that it is a better calibre than 25-06 as it does the same, as far as the deer is concerned, with less powder and less blast. Plus you'll be working at a near filled case so more efficient. Reality is that it is rather specialised and were it not to be accurate, the rifle that you are buying, it may be difficult to sell on.

    FWIW the supposed factor loadings in the USA have (like USA factory loadings for the 8x57 Mauser) always been loaded soft. If you use loading data for use in modern Mauser action rifles or other modern rifles (and not for the Savage lever action and etc.) then you have a very useful cartridge.

    I am told that the Americasn ALWAYS rate this with the 117 grain bullet or 120 grain bullet and that with the 100 grain it is not as good as the 243 Winchester or 6mm Remington. Personally? I'd a;ways prefer a 257 Roberts to a 25-06 but unless the rifle is accurate AND has a twenty-four inch barrel I'd not look at it.

    Maybe the 6.5 Swedish is better?

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