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    hanavarian bavarian not sure what they can do

    Would be interested to here some background on these dogs
    Why are they built like brick out buildings, are they bred for holding wounded deer / boar
    can they be used to hunt feather
    do they retrieve
    do they point (doubt it)
    I suspect they are for stalking only but idont know

    regards
    ian

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    Re: hanavarian bavarian not sure what they can do

    Quote Originally Posted by Trufflehunting
    Would be interested to here some background on these dogs
    Why are they built like brick out buildings, are they bred for holding wounded deer / boar
    The Hanoverian might be described as being robustly built - the BMH very much less so. They can be capable of pulling down Roe deer and bringing the larger deer species to bay. Boar would be a different matter for any dog!

    can they be used to hunt feather
    do they retrieve
    do they point (doubt it)
    Not what they are bred for - one of the HPR breeds would be better suited.

    I suspect they are for stalking only but idont know
    I think you've answered it yourself. The two breeds are blood trailing experts - bar none. Further info on the BMH here http://www.bavarianmountainhoundsociety.org.uk/

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    dog

    put the two together and this is what you get


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    Aww, Gabi's brother surfaces again! Alfie wasn't it?

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    Orion summed it up nicely. For tracking and baying boar they need training on boar. This is something that is going to be diffiult in the UK at the moment. There are several Places here and in Germany i believe where you can train a tracking dog on boar under controlled conditions.
    I use Fredskog Hund centre. They have three enclosures from a small 4hk with a bit of cover and more open ground to 8 hk of very thick plantation. It can put a dog of for life if they confront a wounded boar with out the proper training. Plus its not good for there health either.

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    Personally I see little sense in cross breeding two different dogs. Especially as the Bavarian Breed has only recently been recognised in this country and as far as I know the Hanovarian has not.

    Both breeds are bred for blood spooring. Yes they will pull down Roe, my dog jhas done it a few times over the past two years. Baying larger species yes they will do this, and depending on how you train your dog they will never let you down.

    I would also disagree that Bavarians are more lightly built than Hanovarians, my dog Bavarian is bigger than many Hanovarians I saw at the CLA this year. Much depends on what you feed your dog on and how you bring it up and train it.

    If you want a dog for blood spooring deer, dont try and use it for feathered game, in my opinion you cannot expect a dog to work on deer one minute and then feathered or ground game the next.

    ATB

    Sikamalc

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    Quote Originally Posted by sikamalc

    If you want a dog for blood spooring deer, dont try and use it for feathered game, in my opinion you cannot expect a dog to work on deer one minute and then feathered or ground game the next.

    ATB

    Sikamalc
    Thats exactly what I expect my dogs to be able to do!

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    I see nothing wrong with having a dog for tracking and other types of hunting. A lab or a GWP,GSP should be able to be trained for both. Not everybody is lucky enough to own a seperate dog for every thing.
    But the Bavarian and Hanovarian are specialist tracking dogs and should only be trained for that.
    I was on a tracking course last year and the chap who ran the course had a Hanovarian. The dog was just over a year old and that was 50% bigger than any Bavarian.

    Have a look at the dog on his web site home page laid down next to his GSP www.joshundochjaktservice.com
    Why would you want to cross a haovarian with a bavarian when both are exellent in there own write.

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    Dear Malc

    There must be something wrong with the hannoverians at the CLA. I have also seen some that are smaller than Lola. My conclusion, the UK is being palmed off with bad breeding stock and a lot of buyers have no understanding of what they are buying.

    Breed spec for a male HSH is 50-55cm and 30-40 kg

    Breed spec for a BGSH is 48-52cm and 20-25 kg

    In essence the dogs may be about the same height at the shoulder but the hannoverian is going to be significantly heavier(almost 2x).

    Enthusiasm for rare and exotic breeds seems to have outgrown knowledge and understanding about the hounds themselves. Hunters need to decide exactly what they want their dogs to do first and then see if the breed suits.
    Most all the information is not available in English.

    Mark

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    I agree that Bavarians and Hanovarians should be kept only for blood spooring deer, and its my fault for not explaining this in my initial post.

    However if you have a Lab or GSP you could use it for rough shooting and deer stalking. But I feel that if you are a stalker and want the dog to perform to its best ability then you may have problems with it being distracted whilst pursueing a wounded deer by other game it may come across.

    I am sure there are many good dogs that can do both, and hats off to those that can train the dog to take on two tasks.

    As far as Hanovarians are concerned I have littel experience of them, but I can add that whilst in the gun dog enclousure at the CLA the few Hanovarians I came across where quite small in stature compared to my Bavarian. I also noticed that many of the Bavarians including Todds brother where also smaller. I know they vary in size, and maybe Mark H is correct in what he has said. I do know that there is quite a demand for both breeds these days as they are becoming a popular breed for stalkers to use. However I still do not agree in cross breeding them, but if thats what floats your boat then thats your business.

    Cheers

    Sikamalc

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