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    Clean Rifle or not

    Sorry if this is already covered or opens a can of nasty worms but not really used to forums yet.

    I have a Tikka T3 stainless/laminate .243. When I first got it I had terrible trouble with accuracy. After numerous ammo settled for Fed 100g soft Points.
    Thing is, since not cleaning it I have been shooting accurately. On the odd times I have cleaned, the shots have been everywhere for some time before settling down and re-zeroing.
    I have spoken to a police Officer from the 'armed unit' and he screamed when he heard I did not clean it anymore.
    Spoken to local keeper who is a really genuine fellow and not one of those full of thenselves type and he has shot literally over a thousand foxes (He keeps a record of everyone!) and does not clean his rifleunless he starts to get problems.

    Can I have some opinions. I know they will vary so please back them up with some honest experience.
    Thanks and sorry again if already covered but need to ask my kids how to use forum

  2. #2

    not to clean

    i agree with the keeper friend i only clean mine if im having problems and thats not very offtern. the police wont fire many rounds and i bet the keeper fires hundreds so what does that tell you.

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    Bunnydan
    Well Dan the proof is in the pudding as far as I can see. My T3 shoots true when dirty without a doubt. I have done the text book stuff and cleaned it after 20 rounds but for the next 10 rounds it is all over the place. Once it settles down again I re-zero and it shoots true until cleaned again.
    My worry is am I ruining the barrels doing this as I am sure they are meant to be cleaned after each time it is used.
    I would estimate I put upto 500 rounds a year through it

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    I have the same rifle, I only shot Federal 100gr PowerShok through it, I never had problems with consistancy.

    I found it shot the same clean or dirty, I only now pull a bore snake through it.

    I'm shooting homeloads now, exactly the same, clean/dirty.

    My loads perform to the same POI as Federal PowerShok.

    TJ

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    Jock.
    As you state, those bullets do shoot true through the T3.
    I would like to load my own but being I only shoot 500 max per year and the factory ammo shoots true I cannot justify self loading. Apart from that I have absolutely no idea where to start with home loading as I know no-one who loads themselves and have never seen it done.
    Would beat watching soaps tho I know.
    I get enough grief from the mess I leave tying trout flies!!
    Thanks Jock

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    A friend of mine who shoots a lot on ranges tells me to only clean with a bore snake ...butttt watch out for copper fouling and if there are signs then give it a dousing of bore cleaner once or twice a year so the lands? don't get clogged..
    Me personally not a clue as I am lucky if I use more than 2 or 3 boxes of ammo a year in my T3 .308 Lite as even when zeroing after a few shots the barrel is quite warm

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    The simple answer is :-

    That there is No simple answer .

    Every barrel is different. I am currently do a little experiment using this recently acquired 25-06. I gave it a good clean when I got is as it was used and I could see some copper fouling at the muzzle.

    I then shot 59 rounds of factory ammunition (three different loads) none of which it seemed to like very much then cleaned it before starting to handload for it. I have now shot 117 rounds without cleaning and it's doing just fine.

    I will not clean it now until:-

    1) I notice copper fouling building up

    2) Accuracy drops off

    3) The rifle gets very wet

    You will have to make up your own mind what works for you and what your happy with doing .

  8. #8
    Quote Originally Posted by Brithunter
    The simple answer is :-

    That there is No simple answer .

    Every barrel is different. I am currently do a little experiment using this recently acquired 25-06. I gave it a good clean when I got is as it was used and I could see some copper fouling at the muzzle.

    I then shot 59 rounds of factory ammunition (three different loads) none of which it seemed to like very much then cleaned it before starting to handload for it. I have now shot 117 rounds without cleaning and it's doing just fine.

    I will not clean it now until:-

    1) I notice copper fouling building up

    2) Accuracy drops off

    3) The rifle gets very wet

    You will have to make up your own mind what works for you and what your happy with doing .
    Simples!

  9. #9
    I just pull a soaked swab through mine after shooting and then a dry one before i take it out next time..

    I think the problem comes when the barrel is brushed aggresively removing fine fouling that is in effect filling minute pits within the barrell..

    Cant remember if i read that on here or in one of my books

    As said each rifle and its owner are unique..

    Some more unique than others..

    Terry

  10. #10
    I found with my .223 that after I clean it with some solvent and patches and put a few dry patches through so that there is no residue/liquid in the barrel it shoots to the same POI as before I cleaned it. What are you cleaning your barrel with? I imagine any residue left in would alter POI.
    I may be wrong but I heard somewhere that even wet ammo and/or rain in the barrel will affect accuracy much like oil will if left in the barrel

    Mick

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