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Thread: Why was I asked that?

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    Why was I asked that?

    OK, to cut a long story short. I was asked by a friend to be a referee in his SGC renewal. In what I suspect is the new way to do things I receive the call from my friend's FEO who wanted to know, amongst the expected questions (how long I know my friend, if I think he is safe etc):

    1. Who does he live with?
    2. Any idea if he abuses medication/alcohol/drugs
    3. Is he mentally and physically fit
    4. How many units of alcohol I have per week
    5. How many units of alcohol my friend has per week
    6. How long has my friend lived in his current address
    7. If I socialize with him regularly


    Any idea why all these questions? How am I supposed to know the answer to 1,2,5,6 with any certainty?

    Is that the measure of things to come?

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    All part of the due dilligence process in determining both his suitability and your credentials as a referee including actually how well you know him? They are questions that my referees would know with a good degree of certainty, if they didn't know me that well then how could they vouch for my suitability to possess a firearm?

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    Maybe a read of this will enlighten

    How to make a hash of licensing rules

    section 12 ii (page 93 on) is probably the bit your flo is looking to establish.


    I wonder if this should be stickied in this section? Duh, just noticed it is....
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    Has the legal requirement for issue changed ?
    A referee used to just say yes I have known the person for more than 2 years, I know no reason why he should not trusted
    and yes the pictue is him/her, and that was it, police never even check with the referee.

    Neil.

  5. #5
    Quote Originally Posted by Virbius View Post
    All part of the due dilligence process in determining both his suitability and your credentials as a referee including actually how well you know him? They are questions that my referees would know with a good degree of certainty, if they didn't know me that well then how could they vouch for my suitability to possess a firearm?
    Sure, but alcohol and substance abuse can be very well hidden even from the professionals. I have been in the game in a professional capacity long enough to know this to be true...

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    I've signed dozens of SGCs and a number of FACs. I've never been contacted by the police. A neighbour (who is a dentist so asked regularly) has been contacted by the police to ask further questions.

    I have refused to sign a few people's FACs because I only knew them professionally and didn't know them personally so had no knowledge of such things.

    The new forms are greatly simplified for the FAC side. I will ask my FEO when I have my renewal (forms are in!)

    Section 161 of the Highways Act 1980 (England & Wales) makes it an offence to discharge a firearm within 50 ft of the centre of a highway with vehicular rights without lawful authority or excuse, if as a result a user of the highway is injured, interrupted or endangered.

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    Then all you can do is give honest answers to the best of your knowledge.
    Whenever acting as a referee the best you can do is give an honest opinion of your knowledge of the referrer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Virbius View Post
    They are questions that my referees would know with a good degree of certainty, if they didn't know me that well then how could they vouch for my suitability to possess a firearm?
    "know with a good degree of certainty," .... Surely they know or don't know? I would suggest that to know the answer to these questions your referees are exceptionally able medical and psychiatric practitioners who live with you 24/7. Otherwise, they can only give an opinion based on empirical behaviour. Not quite the same thing as 'knowing'. Donald Rumsfeld got it pretty much dead to rights ....

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    I agree with both comments on my post. But any referee can only know with a good degree of certainty, never 100% as has been pointed out, so the FEO has to then take a view on suitability with the evidence they have together with an amount of subjectivity?

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    Quote Originally Posted by limulus View Post
    Then all you can do is give honest answers to the best of your knowledge.
    Whenever acting as a referee the best you can do is give an honest opinion of your knowledge of the referrer.
    Indeed, this is what I did, and told the FEO it was the case. Still, I was a bit surprised to be asked some of the questions.

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