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    Thumbs down European Elections

    Surprised there is nothing about this already... pretty much sums up my own apathy for the whole thing these days too to be honest...

    Anyway, for those not aware you can check your candidates position on shooting (if they have responded) here:

    Check Candidates


    Other than this list I have no idea who any of our candidates are, I have never met them, seen them or what they represent on a personal level... they don't seem to have had any air time in local press either, and appear to be party drones rather than individuals representing their 'areas'... yet they will be sitting in offices in a different country deciding on what shape our bananas are and what we can and can't use to control bracken.

    Alex

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    Did the emails -- got zero replies -- apathy among voters ?? More like pathetic candidates .
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    I have to say that I'm very angry, if not surprised, that none of our politicians or media have given the European elections any serious focus with the exception of Nigel Farage's travelling circus. If people aren't happy with what the EU does, then vote in some MEPs who better represent your views. The mainstream parties may choose to try and pretend this isn't happening because they broadly lack any sort of real European policy, but these people work for us. So we have some responsibility to find out who the candidates are and what their policies are, even if it's just down to shooting related matters. You can't very well complain that the EU doesn't do things that you like if you don't tell them what those things are. It's no different from parliamentary or local elections.

    I've had emails from Labour in response to my shooting questions telling me that if I want to know what they stand for, I should look it up in their manifesto, which is pathetic, and the Tories have removed themselves from the process pretty much. Refusing to engage with the EU is unlikely to produce any desirable results. It's the same thing for them as for us: if you don't join in, you'll just have to take what you're given. No-one's going to read your mind or go out of their way to help you out if you don't join in the conversation.

    Sorry, it really winds me up that the debate on Europe in the UK is about as sensible as the one on badgers, and given less serious attention.

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    It was very interesting reading - amazing in fact!

    I'm just grateful that so many on the list my postcode threw up were 'Supportive' of shooting- can you imagine how things would be if they weren't standing fore-square by us to fight for our rights

    Hats off to BASC for making such a list available - a giant step in the right direction. But it only goes further if individuals are prepared to do something - and whether its shooting or anything else, basically apathy rules.

    I'm the least like 'activist' you can imagine, but I appear to be on triple Red Bull compared to the comatose majority. If most politics leaves you bored rigid ( until it affects you personally ) then for heaven's sake why not do what every other pressure group has done so successfully for thirty years plus - vote on a single interest. Not only vote but tell the politico's you're doing it.

    A quick review of the number of reads on my recent Scottish Airgun Lic thread compared to virtually any post - including the one on nose-picking - speaks volumes; there's little appetite on SD for politics - so please forgive my sporadic rants.
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    In my area, all the Labour candidates come up as "unknown" since they presumably have everyone the same answer as they did to me. They list the current Lib Dem MEP as "anti", but that's not what she said when she responded to my email which I forwarded to BASC. She broadly said that she wasn't particularly interested but that she wasn't opposed either. Which is only "anti" if you think that you're with us or against us. Actually I suspect that she echoes the feeling of most of the electorate. Essentially it's up to us to make our case as to why anyone else should care. Fair enough really. We can't be the only specialist interest group to be asking for support.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pine Marten View Post
    In my area, all the Labour candidates come up as "unknown" since they presumably have everyone the same answer as they did to me. They list the current Lib Dem MEP as "anti", but that's not what she said when she responded to my email which I forwarded to BASC. She broadly said that she wasn't particularly interested but that she wasn't opposed either. Which is only "anti" if you think that you're with us or against us. Actually I suspect that she echoes the feeling of most of the electorate. Essentially it's up to us to make our case as to why anyone else should care. Fair enough really. We can't be the only specialist interest group to be asking for support.
    Very true as the League Against Cruel Sports and derivatives of will be amongst them.

    K

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pine Marten View Post
    If people aren't happy with what the EU does, then vote in some MEPs who better represent your views. ......It's no different from parliamentary or local elections.
    I'm afraid it is very different in a host of ways - not least that our MEPs can't initiate (as I understand it) legislation in the EU Parliament. Although they have extensive legislative powers they don't mean much in the real world e.g. they've refused to sign off the EU Budget for years now but the whole, corrupt, stinking edifice just keeps on trucking...
    Last edited by Bandit Country; 22-05-2014 at 14:09. Reason: Typo

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    My current MEP is good looking, follows rugby and is supportive of shooting. That'll do me.

    I did have to google who the candidates are, I think they are has apathetic as the rest of us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bandit Country View Post
    I'm afraid it is very different in a host of ways - not least that our MEPs can't initiate (as I understand it) legislation in the EU Parliament. Although they have extensive legislative powers they don't mean much in the real world e.g. they've refused to sign off the EU Budget for years now but the whole, corrupt, stinking edifice just keeps on trucking...
    For years now, the Parliament has been clawing power away little by little from the Commission. This election matters because for the first time, the candidate of whichever party gains the most seats will head the Commission, like our own PM. It's true that technically, the member states don't have to accept the results of the popular vote, they are used to horse-trading based on their own national interests. But in the current political climate, denying the electorate their choice would be a stupid act. And it would lead to an almighty bust-up with the Parliament. So this time, your vote counts more than ever. You have until 10pm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pine Marten View Post
    This election matters because for the first time, the candidate of whichever party gains the most seats will head the Commission,
    Funny how that really didn't feature in any reporting, isn't it? Probably because it would highlight the absurd concept of a 'party' in the EU Parliament. If people think our home-grown coalition is a dog's breakfast then the EU Parliamentary groupings would cause a complete meltdown.....

    I find your apparent faith in ongoing beneficial, even democratic(?) change, within the EU monolith baffling. The idea that the Commission will happily roll over and allow the Parliament to transform into a truly representative, legislative body simply flies in the face of all human behavioural history. Turkeys, voting and Christmas all come to mind.

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