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    UK reloading import percentage

    Hi all,

    I'm currently trying to up the amount of bullets/heads I can buy at any one time but my firearms department are denying my request and I'm not giving up without fighting my corner. I am now reloading my own ammunition and the argument I'm trying to get across is that I have great difficulty in finding the right heads I'm looking for and as hunting bullet heads are not allowed to be posted I would like to be able, when I find what I'm looking for to have the ability to buy up to 500 heads at any one time.

    In order to halp make this a valid reason I think I need to know what the UK's slice of the reloading supply worldwide is as I've been told that generally the US produces the lions share of the world's reloading consumables and therefore take the lions share before what they don't want hits Europe and finally we in the UK get to fight over the dregs of what's left. Is this true and does anyone know what percentage is our slicr of the pie.

    Any advice, figures and also other arguments to put across that might help my case would be gratefully received.

    Thanks very much.

    Sam

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    My reason for wanting 500 to buy and 600 to keep was that in .308 I use 150gn and in the 30-06 I use 180gn so then I could buy 300 150gn and 200 180gn each time.
    I suppose if I only had one calibre I could still use the same argument.

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    It depends on what your current allowance, per calibre, is as to it being an arguable point or not. For target shooting where maybe one or two hundred rounds could be expended in just one day at the range then I'd expect a high allowance.

    But for stalking? You'd shoot how many per stalk? And how many to zero? The Firearms Guidance although NOT the actual letter of the law is clear. It is what you reasonably need and not what you feel required to get bulk discount and quantity shipping.

    I fear that you will not win your argument. Even though we all know that expanding bullets on their own are no more nor less lethal than a sock filled with 1p coins used to cosh old ladies in post offices.

    The counter argument would be how many do you reasonably expect to shoot in one year?

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    Quote Originally Posted by FantasticMrFox View Post
    Hi all,

    I'm currently trying to up the amount of bullets/heads I can buy at any one time but my firearms department are denying my request and I'm not giving up without fighting my corner. I am now reloading my own ammunition and the argument I'm trying to get across is that I have great difficulty in finding the right heads I'm looking for and as hunting bullet heads are not allowed to be posted I would like to be able, when I find what I'm looking for to have the ability to buy up to 500 heads at any one time.

    In order to halp make this a valid reason I think I need to know what the UK's slice of the reloading supply worldwide is as I've been told that generally the US produces the lions share of the world's reloading consumables and therefore take the lions share before what they don't want hits Europe and finally we in the UK get to fight over the dregs of what's left. Is this true and does anyone know what percentage is our slicr of the pie.

    Any advice, figures and also other arguments to put across that might help my case would be gratefully received.

    Thanks very much.

    Sam
    If you check the Home Office guidance you will see that economic reason is NOT reason for ammunition holding.
    The emphasis on the not is explicit.

    Stan

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    EMcC's argument is about the only one that could be supported by a genuine need. Or that maybe that particular bullet was going to become obsolete and that you really did need a "lifetime" supply. Think some of the obscure British sporting rifle sizes such as .245" for Holland's Apex maybe or 228" for the Savage and you've come across a bulk amount at an auction house. Or say .288" or whatever for the Ross or similar.
    Last edited by enfieldspares; 14-06-2014 at 23:00.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EMcC View Post
    My reason for wanting 500 to buy and 600 to keep was that in .308 I use 150gn and in the 30-06 I use 180gn so then I could buy 300 150gn and 200 180gn each time.
    I suppose if I only had one calibre I could still use the same argument.
    its just to hold now emcc atb doug,
    DONT START

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    Quote Originally Posted by AN DU RU FOX View Post
    its just to hold now emcc atb doug,
    I know but when I did mine that was the situation then, old terminology dies hard !!
    I've since had a variation and my FC has been brought up to date.
    It now states 400 x .308 and 400 x 30-06 so if I so desired I could buy 800 - wow ! I'd need a young guy to carry them home for me, that's if I could afford to buy that many in one hit at a time

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    i know mines just gone up i will have to take a trolly,
    DONT START

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    Quote Originally Posted by enfieldspares View Post
    It depends on what your current allowance, per calibre, is as to it being an arguable point or not. For target shooting where maybe one or two hundred rounds could be expended in just one day at the range then I'd expect a high allowance.

    But for stalking? You'd shoot how many per stalk? And how many to zero? The Firearms Guidance although NOT the actual letter of the law is clear. It is what you reasonably need and not what you feel required to get bulk discount and quantity shipping.

    I fear that you will not win your argument.
    Why on earth not!?
    it should not be an argument, its a fecking request to the authority who administer!!
    It is not the Police's job to control
    If you lose it just means you were poorly prepared for the "request"
    500 is perfectly reasonable (I have 600 actually! and 1200 for rimfire)

    You are a stalker who is relied upon to kill humanely with one shot
    this requires practice, sometimes a lot!
    Reloading requires development - sometimes a lot when powders are no longer available, explain the process and demonstrate with example.
    6x5 shots of varying charge, 6x5 shots varying OAL (possibly more) multiply by the number of bullet weights or tip styles and you could easily lose 1-200 in development alone
    Variance in bullet construction from lot to lot is considered by target shooters where humane killing is not a consideration
    many boxes of bullets also come in 250 count boxes
    what say you want to buy two of those to guarantee your accuracy and subsequent humane killing!?!

    It is precisely none of their business how much you shoot or don't
    Do not get sucked into justifying how much you do or don't shoot and at what

    Your points (not argument) should be based on all the "PC" points that the Police will be measured on
    1) Humane killing (see above)
    2) Safety - you need several styles and weights to guarantee safe shooting and stopping of various quarry in various situations, (think VMax vs Soft Point)
    3) Volume - minimum 200 per bullet weight

    3.23 However, where a certificate holder requests large quantities of bullets, it should be
    remembered that the total number of bullets authorised counts towards their overall
    limit on possession of expanding ammunition. The exception to the rule on listing bullets
    separately on a certificate applies in the case of a certificate holder who wishes to possess
    a variety of different types of bullets.

    3.41 The possession of expanding ammunition for target shooting or any competition use
    is not allowed. Applicants wishing to possess expanding ammunition for any other
    purposes (for example, to zero a large calibre rifle for big game hunting abroad) should
    also be refused (see also paragraphs 3.22 and 3.23). There should be no prescribed
    limits set on the number of rounds of ammunition that can be expended during zeroing,
    although this will need to be compatible with these functions and consistent with the
    overall limits on possession.


    10.37 Every effort must be made to limit the number of additional conditions imposed on a
    firearm certificate and ensure that they are not contradictory.

    Open FAC but I can't buy fecking bullets?
    how contradictory can you get




    It should not be based on cost benefits, even though mine included that as an additional point, it could be thrown back at you as the guidance specifically states that saving for bulk buying should not be a good reason.
    I personally wouldn't include current limited supplies as a reason either as it hints at the cost benefits.

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