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    Land Reform and it's Impact On Stalking and the countryside

    On Saturday night I was invited to a meal out at a friends house. I was told a couple would be there who work for two big charities that have huge land holdings all over Scotland and the rest of the UK . The girl had been invited to give 'expert' evidence to the committee looking at the next round of land reform proposals and I was told by my host I would be interested in what she had to say. On being introduced I reminded myself not to judge a book by its cover-she had face piercings with enough steelwork to sink a ship, hair twenty different colours and scarily a tuft of hair hung over one eye tied with two pigeon feathers. I knew we were in for an interesting chat. Eventually the host steered the conversation round to land reform and off she went." The committee " she began , realise that a Mugabe type land grab would make the new Scottish Government very unpopular internationally so they had to come up with ways to get the land of Scotland into community ownership. This relied on getting values to plummet so the land fund and communities could afford it. Vast estates used for field sports she said were an easy target as all the value was in the sport. First she said we will nationalise Deer, Salmon and Grouse, landowners would have to buy a license to take them. Re institute sporting rates at say 600 per head for these species. Alter the tax system by bringing in an annual property tax on individuals with more than a garden and abolish capital and inheritance tax reliefs. Watch she said as these ' Lord Snooty' types rush to get rid of their thousands of ill gotten acres. What about the impact on gamekeepers or others working for these estates or the other tradespeople who rely on the influx of Southern money to keep the economies of these often isolated communities afloat I asked. They would find work with the new local committees set up to run the now community -owned holdings. These communities would also appoint members to do any wildlife management or controls and the land would no longer be a playground for the rich.
    This is all possible she said without a Yes vote in September , it will be rolled out within the next two years . Of course the charities she and her partner represent would be exempt from all this and next they would look at the prospect of having farming also controlled by local communities . Intensive farming she said has resulted in a raping of the land producing food crammed with pesticides , hormones and antibiotics. Smaller community run farming is the way forward she said.
    I sat stunned. Usually I would dismiss such talk as idealistic wish list building but these folk have the ear of our parliament and the politics of envy is powerful. Looking at how this would progress is depressing. I feel like emigrating especially as she often justified what she said by stating " it's the will of the Scottish People" . Surprise surprise both she and her partner are English.

    David

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    Quote Originally Posted by David Brown View Post
    On Saturday night I was invited to a meal out at a friends house. I was told a couple would be there who work for two big charities that have huge land holdings all over Scotland and the rest of the UK . The girl had been invited to give 'expert' evidence to the committee looking at the next round of land reform proposals and I was told by my host I would be interested in what she had to say. On being introduced I reminded myself not to judge a book by its cover-she had face piercings with enough steelwork to sink a ship, hair twenty different colours and scarily a tuft of hair hung over one eye tied with two pigeon feathers. I knew we were in for an interesting chat. Eventually the host steered the conversation round to land reform and off she went." The committee " she began , realise that a Mugabe type land grab would make the new Scottish Government very unpopular internationally so they had to come up with ways to get the land of Scotland into community ownership. This relied on getting values to plummet so the land fund and communities could afford it. Vast estates used for field sports she said were an easy target as all the value was in the sport. First she said we will nationalise Deer, Salmon and Grouse, landowners would have to buy a license to take them. Re institute sporting rates at say 600 per head for these species. Alter the tax system by bringing in an annual property tax on individuals with more than a garden and abolish capital and inheritance tax reliefs. Watch she said as these ' Lord Snooty' types rush to get rid of their thousands of ill gotten acres. What about the impact on gamekeepers or others working for these estates or the other tradespeople who rely on the influx of Southern money to keep the economies of these often isolated communities afloat I asked. They would find work with the new local committees set up to run the now community -owned holdings. These communities would also appoint members to do any wildlife management or controls and the land would no longer be a playground for the rich.
    This is all possible she said without a Yes vote in September , it will be rolled out within the next two years . Of course the charities she and her partner represent would be exempt from all this and next they would look at the prospect of having farming also controlled by local communities . Intensive farming she said has resulted in a raping of the land producing food crammed with pesticides , hormones and antibiotics. Smaller community run farming is the way forward she said.
    I sat stunned. Usually I would dismiss such talk as idealistic wish list building but these folk have the ear of our parliament and the politics of envy is powerful. Looking at how this would progress is depressing. I feel like emigrating especially as she often justified what she said by stating " it's the will of the Scottish People" . Surprise surprise both she and her partner are English.

    David
    Do you belive this could actually happen ?

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    Do I honestly think this is likely to happen err !!! No but hang on a minute didn't the tree huggers get hunting with hounds banned !!! So never underestimate the power these people can find when needed.
    Regards
    Jimmy.

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    I hope that it never comes to that .But if she was as mad looking as discribed i doub to many would take her seriously MP and toff's and normally very judgemental indeed they will hear what they have to say ,then behind close doorsthe 1st thing they will talk about is all the metal in her face ,the good things that the tree hugers dont help them selfs by not looking very clean and covered in metal and silly hair colour ,like boy george how can they be taken seriously .we might see foxing with hounds come back as yet (ukip)

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    Berg how I hope your last statement is true, personally and unfortunately I can't ever see it happening. As for the great unwashed they never are the ones that the public see too much of, it's normally the actors or famous face who they get on side that do that bit.
    Regards
    Jimmy

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    There is an awful lot of written evidence going into this from people who have more connection with the land than the folk mentioned above.
    As said above I think that these Looney Tunes will be recognised as such.
    It's people like Denis Canavan I worry more about.
    "Don't say I didnae warn ye !"

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    Quote Originally Posted by private fraser View Post
    There is an awful lot of written evidence going into this from people who have more connection with the land than the folk mentioned above.
    As said above I think that these Looney Tunes will be recognised as such.
    It's people like Denis Canavan I worry more about.

    Yes it's very easy to dismiss them as loony tunes and that is indeed my opinion of them too but the organisations they represent have already been given some degree of powers . They now have a say on local planning , land use and forestry . As has been said too it is not these folk that will appear on media but the politicians ,academics and others with a personal axe to grind. I think I am correct in saying that an ex chairman of the Deer Commission has already suggested that the deer population be nationalised. Some high ranking politicians have suggested a land tax and it's in the latest land reform proposals to bring back sporting rates and limit land ownership.


    David

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    I love the idealistic ignorance and passion of the socialist extremist. They always think someone else can and should foot the bill for them. Not that I was ever a fan of Margaret Thatcher but I always smile when I hear this quote of hers "The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money [to spend]."

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    Very true point Jim, fully agree.
    Likely No way, possible well err................

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    Quote Originally Posted by David Brown View Post
    Yes it's very easy to dismiss them as loony tunes and that is indeed my opinion of them too but the organisations they represent have already been given some degree of powers . They now have a say on local planning , land use and forestry . As has been said too it is not these folk that will appear on media but the politicians ,academics and others with a personal axe to grind. I think I am correct in saying that an ex chairman of the Deer Commission has already suggested that the deer population be nationalised. Some high ranking politicians have suggested a land tax and it's in the latest land reform proposals to bring back sporting rates and limit land ownership.


    David
    SNH already proclaim deer to be a "National Asset" in their literature, doubtless the pierced lady of your recent acquaintance sees land as yet another "National Asset". The fact that she voices a desire to devalue this asset does seem to indicate that her wishes should perhaps be disregarded. One can only hope that somewhere in the process the grown-ups will realise and moderate the imprudence of her aims.

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