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    Current deer stalking prices

    So I fancied a bit of stalking somewhere different with a friend. We've been quoted 100 per outing plus a cull fee of 50. It was made clear that this would be for 'followers' not mature does next february. Needless to say, I've declined the offer.

    But not before doing some 'fag packet maths'. I recently paid 2780 for a 7 day, 8 night, 14 animal cull package in South Africa, that includes trip, flight, airport parking and travel etc.

    So, the price of my proposed roe kid stalking trip would be, based on an equivalent package :-

    Outing fees 14 @ 100 = 1400
    Cull fees 14 @ 50 = 700
    B&B 8 nights @ 40 = 320
    Meals 8 days @ 20 = 160
    Fuel @ 140

    Total 2720 So for just 60 I can go for Africa and shoot kudu cows, wildebeest cows, warthog and other plains game instead of roe followers for 60 more. Now I know I'm comparing apples with oranges, I'm sure people are finding many flaws in this comparison, but hopefully some will get the point I'm making.

    I think it's time to scour the classifieds on here and see if there's anyone who can accomodate us both who charges more 'realistic prices' than the outing and cull fees mentioned. Or, in all seriousness, do I just stop deer stalking and head off abroad because the deals look much better value for money to me sometimes.

  2. #2
    Quote Originally Posted by MJ75 View Post
    So I fancied a bit of stalking somewhere different with a friend. We've been quoted 100 per outing plus a cull fee of 50. It was made clear that this would be for 'followers' not mature does next february. Needless to say, I've declined the offer.

    But not before doing some 'fag packet maths'. I recently paid 2780 for a 7 day, 8 night, 14 animal cull package in South Africa, that includes trip, flight, airport parking and travel etc.

    So, the price of my proposed roe kid stalking trip would be, based on an equivalent package :-

    Outing fees 14 @ 100 = 1400
    Cull fees 14 @ 50 = 700
    B&B 8 nights @ 40 = 320
    Meals 8 days @ 20 = 160
    Fuel @ 140

    Total 2720 So for just 60 I can go for Africa and shoot kudu cows, wildebeest cows, warthog and other plains game instead of roe followers for 60 more. Now I know I'm comparing apples with oranges, I'm sure people are finding many flaws in this comparison, but hopefully some will get the point I'm making.

    I think it's time to scour the classifieds on here and see if there's anyone who can accomodate us both who charges more 'realistic prices' than the outing and cull fees mentioned. Or, in all seriousness, do I just stop deer stalking and head off abroad because the deals look much better value for money to me sometimes.

    You have a serious point here but there are plenty of better deals around in the UK. There are lots of stalkers offering stalking at less than 100 per outing and no cull fee, I almost never pay as much as 100 and never go where there's a cull/success fee unless it is for a trophy buck/stag. Try jamross65 (sika-Borders), jim@dgvm (red, roe, fallow and muntie- Cambs) and elmer fudd (fallow, roe and muntie - S.Wales and Bristol) all on here and all cheaper for outings (last time I went with them) and either no or sensible success fees, unless it's a decent trophy. None of the stalking is just for followers, it is for prickets or better and adult females according to season and management needs. I have also been out with Mike at Carlton Moor Range (reds) in Derbyshire for less but it was a couple of years ago. All of them are first rate and have good ground with plenty of deer - I'd happily recommend them to anyone and there are plenty of others offering similar deals.
    Last edited by paul k; 26-08-2014 at 08:29.

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    I can think of a few who do outings for approx 100 on cull beasts with no kill fee

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    Quote Originally Posted by MJ75 View Post
    So I fancied a bit of stalking somewhere different with a friend. We've been quoted 100 per outing plus a cull fee of 50. It was made clear that this would be for 'followers' not mature does next february. Needless to say, I've declined the offer.

    But not before doing some 'fag packet maths'. I recently paid 2780 for a 7 day, 8 night, 14 animal cull package in South Africa, that includes trip, flight, airport parking and travel etc.

    So, the price of my proposed roe kid stalking trip would be, based on an equivalent package :-

    Outing fees 14 @ 100 = 1400
    Cull fees 14 @ 50 = 700
    B&B 8 nights @ 40 = 320
    Meals 8 days @ 20 = 160
    Fuel @ 140

    Total 2720 So for just 60 I can go for Africa and shoot kudu cows, wildebeest cows, warthog and other plains game instead of roe followers for 60 more. Now I know I'm comparing apples with oranges, I'm sure people are finding many flaws in this comparison, but hopefully some will get the point I'm making.

    I think it's time to scour the classifieds on here and see if there's anyone who can accomodate us both who charges more 'realistic prices' than the outing and cull fees mentioned. Or, in all seriousness, do I just stop deer stalking and head off abroad because the deals look much better value for money to me sometimes.
    Well overheads in Africa are probably not as expensive as they are here, besides labour costs out there for local people will be peanuts I don't doubt.

    Having hunted Africa a few times myself I can say in SA it has changed over the last 20 years, and there is a huge amount of farmed game on offer behind wire. In many instances the prices are low and some good deals to be had, but I think the UK also offers good value compared to the near continent and in some parts of the States as well.

    Based on your figures and requirements above:
    14 outing fees @ 75 each 1050
    No kill fees applied 0
    BB twin room each 8 nights 240
    Meals 8 days 20 160
    Fuel 140

    Total 1590.00 no limit on Fallow does/prickets /sorrels

    That's my prices, but I am booked solid from September through to late January. However I have some space in mid Feb and late March.

    Scotland: One week, in a lodge on my lease, all meals, pick up and return to Inverness, guiding, fuel, wines at dinner, capeing out of trophies, 2 stags (red and sika, or 2 sika) even medal heads no extra charge.

    1500.00 EACH But there has to be 4 rifles for the week.

    Again I am fully booked for this year, and half booked for next year and even have a week sold for 2016!

    Let me know if I can help, and best of luck with your search.

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    I think the key to this is to ask how much YOU are willing to work for.

    I'm far from being rich but I also have to accept that someone talking me stalking should have a reasonable expectation of earning at least as much as I do for a day. It is also necessary to factor in overheads including the cost of the ground, insurance, running a truck and so on.

    With all this in mind and considering what you earn per day how much would you have to charge for stalking to keep your current income?
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    Gents

    Thanks for all of the info above. Malc, your trips always look very good, we will have to meet soon. I'll contact my friend and see what we can work out.


    Quote Originally Posted by caorach View Post
    I think the key to this is to ask how much YOU are willing to work for.

    I'm far from being rich but I also have to accept that someone talking me stalking should have a reasonable expectation of earning at least as much as I do for a day. It is also necessary to factor in overheads including the cost of the ground, insurance, running a truck and so on.

    With all this in mind and considering what you earn per day how much would you have to charge for stalking to keep your current income?
    I disagree with the point you're making, but will address it anyway.

    It's not for me to tell anyone what to charge. The point I'm making though is that if you pro rata some rates, you can hunt in a more exotic location for quarry I personally perceive as more valuabale than roe followers, and thus achieve much better 'bang for your buck' (pun not intended). With this in mind I am genuinely considering spending more time in Africa and less time in the UK.

    If my friend and I were successful on every outing on the proposed trip, that would mean the individual is earning 600 per day, the prices I quoted are per person. I do not earn that amount, if I did I'd be in Tanzania right now hunting in the Sealous, not writing this!

    If we were on stags and bucks my opinion would of course be very different. I just won't pay a cull fee for roe kids. This is very much a personal choice and if others want to do so or if others charge for them, then that is very much their business and not mine. Remember the thread is there to highlight the comparable costs of UK vs elsewhere, not to specify what a pro deer stalker can charge.
    Last edited by MJ75; 26-08-2014 at 13:25. Reason: typo

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    Quote Originally Posted by MJ75 View Post
    Gents

    Thanks for all of the info above. Malc, your trips always look very good, we will have to meet soon. I'll contact my friend and see what we can work out.

    I disagree with the point you're making, but will address it anyway.

    It's not for me to tell anyone what to charge. The point I'm making though is that if you pro rata some rates, you can hunt in a more exotic location for quarry I personally perceive as more valuabale than roe followers, and thus achieve much better 'bang for your buck' (pun not intended). With this in mind I am genuinely considering spending more time in Africa and less time in the UK.

    If my friend and I were successful on every outing on the proposed trip, that would mean the individual is earning 600 per day, the prices I quoted are per person. I do not earn that amount, if I did I'd be in Tanzania right now hunting in the Sealous, not writing this!

    If we were on stags and bucks my opinion would of course be very different. I just won't pay a cull fee for roe kids. This is very much a personal choice and if others want to do so or if others charge for them, then that is very much their business and not mine. Remember the thread is there to highlight the comparable costs of UK vs elsewhere, not to specify what a pro deer stalker can charge.
    OK, but then consider the other side - what is the average they will earn over a year (taking account of weather, conditions, the number of other factors that make it a less that certain income)? the fact that they might be self employed - no paid holidays, sick leave etc. I'd be surprised if you could net more than 150/ day / 30K a year on average. That's more than the national average wage, but for someone who might otherwise be in a profession or trade its not great and certainly must be done, in part, for the love of it. When you think that a trade professional is probably making twice that in the SE with guaranteed work every day, I don't think its unreasonable.

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    A very interesting thread and I myself have considered the original comparison myself. Without getting into the complicated and somewhat fraught issue of the cost of UK stalking I do think that in many cases other countries can and do offer very good value hunting trips.
    This is achieved in a number of ways from where I look.
    Firstly they are huge countries with less dense human populations than hear in the uk. Large tracts of land are managed by few people who then have the natural resources available for their gain. In the case of Africa I doubt there is a heavy demand from native residents.
    Our currency is far more valuable than theirs so importing hunters from more wealthy places allows for the land to provide a good return without hunting it dry.
    However the same thing is not true of a large country like the US or Canada. Yes they are big places but since every man and his dog likes to go hunting a few times a year and that amounts to millions of trips game is limited both by natural ability to replenish as well as government restriction. The only advantage to their system is money can not always buy up the hunting as tags are assigned to each hunter and not saleable.
    This is where value for money and equal ability to hunt goes out the window here in the uk. There are many wealthy people who are prepared to spend their wealth to gain the best of anything they want. Perfectly normal human nature. But since there is NO open land where the general population can hunt without paying and all land is owned the limited game is available to the highest bidder. We all know this, but what I do often consider is that with the ever increasing demand on resourses and for those who earn their living from providing stalking services, they themselves find the need to pay higher and higher prices for the rights of land. This has to be returned and was done so by selling trophy hunts. However more and more I find people charging for what we call cull animals. We presume they are of less worth than a trophy, but are they? Are they any less worthy, do they provide less of a challenge?
    Only you can answer that. But if the provider has had to pay big money for the ground and wants to maintain a healthy herd with trophies available each year then I doubt enough return could be found from them alone and so other fees are levied on the "lesser" animals.
    I think eventually it will be a self regulating market. As those who earn a living will have to find wealthy clients who want guaranteed results and nice animals and prepared to pay. Others will have to be satisfied with the cull animals on land where deer numbers are to be kept low to avoid damage.
    In the mean time like you I find I just have to go to work earn some dosh and then get the best value I can for my .
    I think Africa will be on my list very soon. But I can't stave off my addiction with a trip once every few years so have to stump up and get out here in old blighty. Where I must say we are lucky to have some great hunting.

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    Another thought I've mulled over is why is it that the FC (publicly owned and funded) only put their dregs of ground up for tender?
    I've looked at many parcels of ground with inflated cull figures and for which large amounts of money are bid. This ground is only put to tender as it takes to much time for fc employees to manage. They put their effort into the decent ground where they can go out and shoot a few animals with fair certainty. There's no way they are going to spend 3 days shooting 2 animals and go back to the office and justify their worth. Far better to let some daft sod pay loads of money and do it for them.
    So I ask why is all fc deer management not put up for tender? The fc could put in their own price, but have to compete with other suitably qualified and competent people. After all the ground and the deer on it belong to us the tax payer. Are we getting value for money from fc when it costs us to pay them to shoot all the easy ground when we (tax payer) could be getting paid for hunters to do the job. Again if to many come forward for the job, just issue tags at a fixed price to hunters thus taking out the money peoples advantage.
    Just a thought.

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    Quote Originally Posted by woodmaster View Post
    Another thought I've mulled over is why is it that the FC (publicly owned and funded) only put their dregs of ground up for tender?
    I've looked at many parcels of ground with inflated cull figures and for which large amounts of money are bid. This ground is only put to tender as it takes to much time for fc employees to manage. They put their effort into the decent ground where they can go out and shoot a few animals with fair certainty. There's no way they are going to spend 3 days shooting 2 animals and go back to the office and justify their worth. Far better to let some daft sod pay loads of money and do it for them.
    So I ask why is all fc deer management not put up for tender? The fc could put in their own price, but have to compete with other suitably qualified and competent people. After all the ground and the deer on it belong to us the tax payer. Are we getting value for money from fc when it costs us to pay them to shoot all the easy ground when we (tax payer) could be getting paid for hunters to do the job. Again if to many come forward for the job, just issue tags at a fixed price to hunters thus taking out the money peoples advantage.
    Just a thought.
    Because recreational stalkers are simply that.Too managed all the FC ground there would be a lot of people having to quit there job to make sure the cull was done.Sounds a great idea when you put it like that, but when you are out on the hill in middle of winter getting pissing wet through day after day it wont be that appealing.
    Last edited by Pirate hunter; 26-08-2014 at 19:51.
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