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    BBC news Arizona shooting range

    Lunchtime news item, and film, about a nine year old girl firing a "high powered" automatic weapon under instruction on a public range in Arizona. She ended up shooting the instructor fatally in the head, although this bit wasn't actually shown on the item I watched.. Very sad, but interesting that the BBC select this as a major world issue. I often get the feeling that they prioritise US shootings with an uncomfortable subtext that American gun control should be debated in Parliament. Or am I being a touch paranoid?

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    Not paranoid at all, I'm sure, but it's also a story that would run on its exceptional drama and tragedy alone.

    A disaster that should -and could so easily- have been avoided in so many ways (none of them requiring legislative prohibitions).
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    Very tragic accident that as stated could have so easily been avoided such a shame and i wonder how the little girl is feeling after what has happened the news havnt mentioned that

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Gain View Post
    Not paranoid at all, I'm sure, but it's also a story that would run on its exceptional drama and tragedy alone.

    A disaster that should -and could so easily- have been avoided in so many ways (none of them requiring legislative prohibitions).
    Exactly this.

    Surely even the most ardent gun rights advocates would question the wisdom of giving an automatic weapon to a small and totally inexperienced girl? Forget any discussion about the psychological or moral implications - the simple physical safety of the situation is horrifyingly out of control.

    That poor litle girl will be scarred for life because of the catastrophic failure of judgement by the adults around her.

    There is a reason we usually start with air rifles and single shot .410 shotguns.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mungo View Post
    Exactly this.

    Surely even the most ardent gun rights advocates would question the wisdom of giving an automatic weapon to a small and totally inexperienced girl? Forget any discussion about the psychological or moral implications - the simple physical safety of the situation is horrifyingly out of control.

    That poor litle girl will be scarred for life because of the catastrophic failure of judgement by the adults around her.

    There is a reason we usually start with air rifles and single shot .410 shotguns.
    + lots. She was a small child who would not have had the physical strength to control the recoil, even if she was mentally mature enough, which I question. It is idiots like that who make the lives of responsible shooters so difficult!

    David.

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    Bullets n Burgers.... "Only in America".

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    Age, size, gender, maturity(?) are all irrelevant - other than as factors in how any given situation is managed. Both my children fired fully automatic, full bore weapons before they were 10 years old. It was simply part of their growing up and managed entirely safely, without anyone getting shot. Presumably if this young lady had been aged 15 or 20 she wouldn't have been 'scarred for life' after shooting her instructor? I'm intrigued to know at what age you become immune to psychological damage following the accidental shooting of someone.....?

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    I made a lot of my judgement on her arm and wrist size. She didn't look strong enough!!! I refrained from entering into the realms of psychobabble.


    David.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bandit Country View Post
    APresumably if this young lady had been aged 15 or 20 she wouldn't have been 'scarred for life' after shooting her instructor? I'm intrigued to know at what age you become immune to psychological damage following the accidental shooting of someone.....?
    The point I was making is that, at that age and lacking experience, she was in no position to judge the situation. She was reliant on the judgement of the adults around her - which was demonstrably flawed. By 15-20, a person is old enough and (usually) mature enough to make their own decisions. Of course anyone, at any age, will be messed up after killing someone by mistake - but in this instance, she was put in this position by people who she should have been able to trust to make the best decisions on her behalf. They manifestly failed to adequately assess her ability to handle the weapon.

    Based on the clip, and the way she was standing and handling the gun, this was her first session with a handgun. Did you just hand your kids an fully auto machine pistol first time out? Almost certainly not - I imagine you trained them on safe handling and accurate shooting with something like an air rifle/pistol first, then worked them up through the levels, making sure they were safe and confident at each stage before progressing to the next.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mungo View Post
    The point I was making is that, at that age and lacking experience, she was in no position to judge the situation. She was reliant on the judgement of the adults around her - which was demonstrably flawed. By 15-20, a person is old enough and (usually) mature enough to make their own decisions. Of course anyone, at any age, will be messed up after killing someone by mistake - but in this instance, she was put in this position by people who she should have been able to trust to make the best decisions on her behalf. They manifestly failed to adequately assess her ability to handle the weapon.

    Based on the clip, and the way she was standing and handling the gun, this was her first session with a handgun. Did you just hand your kids an fully auto machine pistol first time out? Almost certainly not - I imagine you trained them on safe handling and accurate shooting with something like an air rifle/pistol first, then worked them up through the levels, making sure they were safe and confident at each stage before progressing to the next.
    absolutely right mungo ,a 9 year old childs mine is no way developed enough to deal with a taruma of that level with out having a masive effect on there growing up .bandit at 15 -20 you are able to process emotinal stress far better than a 7 year old girl .what the hell were they thinking of ,ONLY IN AMERICA. thank god it was the instrutor and not her perants
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