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Thread: Extra voters try to reach scotland in time for the vote

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    Extra voters try to reach scotland in time for the vote

    Daily Mail has confirmed online today :-

    Extraordinary moment hundreds of migrants stormed P&O ferry at Calais in desperate bid to get to Scotland before the independance vote, but were held off by fire hose as they tried to overpower armed police

    Witnesses said security staff were forced to turn a fire hose on up to 2500 illegal immigrants as they attempted to overpower officials and machine-gun wielding police by climbing over fences and running up the main ramp into the ferry's vehicle hold. The shocking incident took place yesterday afternoon, with P&O Ferries confirming that a 'huge intrusion' had occurred.


    Its thought they intended to travel to scotland and had been paid by the yes campainer Alex Salmon

    :-)
    Humans are pre wired with fight or flight response
    Great Grandad fought, Grandad fought.
    For the sake of my Grandchild I wish for Less Flight responses entering Europe

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    I was stuck in a 6 mile queue last weekend, just to go through passport control in calais!, these people were all over the roads and hiding in bushes, etc. ridiculous!

    and why exactly does the mayor of calais want Britain to pay for the problem! laughable, they're on THEIR side!

    have the french ever considered tighter passport controls and border enforcement so as to NOT have these issues and also stop the illegal immigration FROM/THROUGH France to other EU countries...

    whilst we're at it, should we mention the Russian mafia and North African drug problem coming through Marsailles feeding into the rest of Europe.

    gotta love them :-)

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    PKL, within the Shengen zone, there is complete free movement of people. There is not usually any border control. Once you've entered the EU outside of the UK, you can in practice go wherever you please. Only eventually, having been moved on from all over the place, the last place you end up is the French coast, and the only place left to go to is the UK. The UK isn't the El Dorado that people may think it is, but it does have a thriving low-pay under-the-radar employment sector, and a lot of people already here who can serve as some form of support network.

    When you think of the dangers and difficulties that some poor soul from Iraq or Somalia has gone through before ending up under a tarpaulin in Calais, it's not like one more crossing in a refrigerated truck is going to daunt them, the poor devils.

    The thing is that like so many other problems, this can only be addressed at a European level. France certainly can't solve it, the UK maybe a bit more by virtue of being an island, but desperate people will find a way.

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    lets go back to the old borders then if u got nothing to hide why would going through a police post be an issue.the bodies washing up on gibralter n italy,s beache,s show the desparetion of these peeps but also how ruthless the scum that bring them across are.give back the border controls to stop mass IILLEGAL movement .if u have u boot or lorry checked at every border its annoying/delaying but u will see the problem controlled.they will carry on using container ships etc but itl make it a heck of a lot harder to get to england through x amount of border crossings

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    The basic problem is that there are too many people on the planet , we are overpopulated by at least 60% . To quote a certain Scot s soldier -- " We're all doomed "

    "This year will go down in history. For the first time, a civilized nation has full gun registration. Our streets will be safer, our police more efficient, and the world will follow our lead into the future!"
    Adolph Hitler – 1933

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    Ah OK. Which 60% is that and how will it be broken to them? In the meantime, everyone has to live.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pine Marten View Post
    Ah OK. Which 60% is that and how will it be broken to them? In the meantime, everyone has to live.
    But do they need to come to the uk, when do we decide that the uk is full
    Is it sabre rattling from the news papers or do we have more room for further imigrants
    What is it like living in london and the south east, do all these people get along with one another, are there any frictions
    Humans are pre wired with fight or flight response
    Great Grandad fought, Grandad fought.
    For the sake of my Grandchild I wish for Less Flight responses entering Europe

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    Something on radio 4 about it now.
    I feel sorry for the lorry drivers.
    "Don't say I didnae warn ye !"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pine Marten View Post
    Which 60% is that and how will it be broken to them?
    Well, the French, obviously? Anyone else who isn't a British passport holder has to be in the frame....

    If we are going to go on about how it used to be in the 'good old days', the usual form was for a line of ignorant, malnourished, scrofulous blokes in red coats to march up in close order and deliver the good news in the form of a loud bang, a bright flash and lots of white smoke....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trufflehunting View Post
    What is it like living in london and the south east, do all these people get along with one another, are there any frictions
    First of all, congratulations for asking the question rather than jumping to conclusions! I'll give you as short and as dispassionate an answer as I can. I life in one of four flat in a converted house in West London. The family next door are Palestinian doctors, and therefore orginally they must have been refugees as the poor Palestinians are stateless. I believe that an Egyptian passport is in the mix at some point. The flat upstairs is rented by three blokes who are as English as you could hope for. The other one is owned by a West Indian guy. And of course the PM household is mostly French. On the main road outside are a Turkish supermarket, a Jordanian one, a Bulgarian one, a Japanese one, the North China Restaurant, the Little French restaurant (nowhere near as good as my own Little French restaurant...), a Lebanese restaurant that was until recently a Greek one. The Greeks who ran it relabelled themselves: the cuisine is after all very similar and Lebanese is more in vogue! There are also quite a few Persian shops and restaurants around. The best bread around here is made by the Iranian baker, although really he's a patissier. Up the road is the Japanese school. There's a hotel down the road where Polish builders often stay while they're doing a job. They tend to pick the plums from the tree in the yard that the natives ignore, possibly to make Slivovitz. Sometimes, they sit out in the park outside having a few beers and singing folk songs, accompanied by an accordion. I really quite like it. The Turkish café on the corner is generally full of Turks, Greeks and Cypriots getting on famously in the evenings. A little further along, there's a concentration of barbers and hairdressers specialising in frizzy dark hair, some mobile phone shops run by Sikhs, and a council estate that's not very affluent at all, but no crime that I know of comes from there.

    All members of this staggeringly cosmopolitan little world get on just fine, as well as anywhere else. The fault lines and tensions aren't ethnic, racial or religious, they're economic. I suppose we're all united by the very hard struggle to keep your head above water in London. It's true that some things are made harder for people by a poor command of English, especially in hospitals or the GP for instance. It's probably similar in many schools. But then you hear the kids around here and they all speak English like natives, it's the parents who have trouble. Young PM goes to a nursery where they say "hello" in over twenty languages! The Brazilian and Pakistani staff affectionately call him "Monsieur". He probably thinks that's his name.

    I'm not saying all these people mix all that well, but the reality is that the resulting pressure on public services (and it's really hospitals that I've seen up close) was completely avoidable. It was obvious that the demand was growing fast, and the vast majority of these people are working here, paying taxes. So there really should have been more money to invest in making sure that they had hospitals, schools and so on, same as for everyone else.

    So in short, yes, there are tensions, but they're because people struggle to make a decent living mostly. I'd also say that this microcosm of the whole world in one place is one of the reasons I stay here. It's spectacularly culturally enriching and a vaccine against prejudice.

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