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    158g swc (jacketed) 38/357 mag for winchester legacy

    Hello,

    Just wondered if anybody could help . I am trying get some of the above. I have tried Tim Hannams but they are out of stock.

    Any help would be greatly appreciated.

    Thanks,

    Sam.

    ps I have also tried another site.

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    You could try Andy Allwood. I think he is called "All stocks and mouldings" or something like that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BRYAN View Post
    You could try Andy Allwood. I think he is called "All stocks and mouldings" or something like that.

    Thanks I'll give them a try.

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    Are you asking about bullets or cartridges? If bullets, expanding 0.357" jacketed, or FMJ / TMJ types suitable for range use? (I'm also a bit puzzled about 'jacketed SWC', as semi-wadcutters are normally cast or swaged lead construction.)

    Hannams used to sell various types / makes of pistol bullet that went under various descriptions depending on who packaged and sold them. These were often called TMJs (Total Metal Jacket) often with a shape descriptor added such as 'FP' for Flat Point (to allow use in levergun tubular magazines). This type aren't true jacketed bullets as they were manufactured by swaging a soft-lead core then electroplating them with an ultra-thin but very consistent thickness copper covering. The original maker of this type was Berry's Manufacturing in the USA, and Hannams had them for some years, later I think the company (Hannams that is) changed to a South African supplier.

    http://www.berrysmfg.com/products-q58-c58-Bullets.aspx

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    Quote Originally Posted by samIOW View Post
    Thanks I'll give them a try.
    I believe he lost his RFD - don't know if trades still?

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    Henry Kranks offer a PPU 158 Grain Flat Point Jacketed.

    Yorkie.

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    If you'd said last load went yesterday you could have had them with the dies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Laurie View Post
    Are you asking about bullets or cartridges? If bullets, expanding 0.357" jacketed, or FMJ / TMJ types suitable for range use? (I'm also a bit puzzled about 'jacketed SWC', as semi-wadcutters are normally cast or swaged lead construction.)

    Hannams used to sell various types / makes of pistol bullet that went under various descriptions depending on who packaged and sold them. These were often called TMJs (Total Metal Jacket) often with a shape descriptor added such as 'FP' for Flat Point (to allow use in levergun tubular magazines). This type aren't true jacketed bullets as they were manufactured by swaging a soft-lead core then electroplating them with an ultra-thin but very consistent thickness copper covering. The original maker of this type was Berry's Manufacturing in the USA, and Hannams had them for some years, later I think the company (Hannams that is) changed to a South African supplier.

    http://www.berrysmfg.com/products-q58-c58-Bullets.aspx
    Hello Laurie and everybody,

    That makes two of us being confused? I have only just started to reload, Hence the cry for help regards, 158g bullet,, I was told not to use lead but to get the SWC jacketed option. I think he meant to say RNFP Jacketed... Peter lawman has the SWC but not jacketed.

    Thanks for all your help though and patience.

    Regards,

    Sam

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    Ah .... bullets. I may be able to help you. I'll send a PM.

    With a Legacy 94, commercial cast-lead bullets should work OK too though as long as you don't want full-house 357 Magnum rifle velocities. Assuming you're gallery rifle shooting at 25 and/or 50M, mild lead bullet loads at 1,100-1,200 fps work fine and are very economical.

    The advice about using jacketed bullets was normally applied to Marlin 94s back in the days when that company used a form of rifling called 'Microgroove'. It used a very large number (over 20 in some calibres) of shallow grooves instead of the normal practice of four deep ones. Microgroove rifles shot jacketed bullets very well indeed, but when the explosion of interest in modern leverguns took place in the 80s/90s, most users wanted to be able to load cheap lead projectiles. Marlin stuck to Microgroove for its .22LR Model 39 and the budget .30-30 and .35 Rem Model 336 deer rifles, but moved to 'Ballard' deep groove rifling years ago for everything else. So far as I know, Winchester 94s have never had any issues in this regard and many people use lead bullets.

    Certainly jacketed or 'plated' bullets do remove any issues about lead deposits in the barrel throat affecting accuracy and make them easier to clean. The 'plated' type is fairly soft and isn't meant to be driven really fast. Traditional gilding metal jacketed models can be driven as fast as the 357 can get them out of a carbine or rifle length barrel. Personally, I think they're much less pleasant to shoot than light loads (on target ranges at any rate) because of the recoil factor in these very light rifles. So, it depends on what uses you have in mind for the rifle.

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