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Thread: If you could change the laws for getting a FAC?

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    If you could change the laws for getting a FAC?

    Lets face it, getting our FAC is a pain in the butt, so what, if anything, would you change about the process? For me it would be removing the Chief Constable from the process, and have them issued by the Home Office instead of the police departments. This would improve consistency across the country and remove the subjectivity of the Chief Constable, someone who may have never even fired a weapon. Any other ideas?

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    Not going to be popular but increase cost and decrease waiting times for the whole process .

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    Quote Originally Posted by gecko13 View Post
    Lets face it, getting our FAC is a pain in the butt, so what, if anything, would you change about the process? For me it would be removing the Chief Constable from the process, and have them issued by the Home Office instead of the police departments. This would improve consistency across the country and remove the subjectivity of the Chief Constable, someone who may have never even fired a weapon. Any other ideas?
    The Home Office has arguably shown itself since 1920 to be the most powerful and influential anti-gun body in the UK. Any change which they steer, or which gives them more direct control over the process seems more likely to make things worse than better.

    The current law re FACs seems if not fine, better than anything else we're likely to get (since changes to the law invariably make things worse for shooters).
    The CCs and FLDs just need to buck up the efficiency of their administration of the processes involved.

    So: no change to the process - just do it better!

    Quote Originally Posted by norma 308 View Post
    Not going to be popular but increase cost and decrease waiting times for the whole process .
    Have a think about why, as you say, it would not be popular:
    It would not be popular among FAC-holders because firearms licensing is not for the benefit of the FAC-holders, but rather that of the general public (allegedly).
    The idea of the cost of FACs (which anti-gun folk want increasing anyway, to dissuade lawful firearms ownership) should be uncoupled in our mind from improvements to the service offered by FLDs.
    They should be obliged to offer a decent service regardless of fees.
    Last edited by Dalua; 14-09-2014 at 07:36.

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    We should license the person not the guns....
    Brian.

    Just because you are paranoid, doesn't mean they aren't out to get you......

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    Quote Originally Posted by Claret_Dabbler View Post
    We should license the person not the guns....
    Isn't that how they do it in Germany? And then it's up to the shooter to determine what he needs?

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    Compulsary training in the safe use and handling of firearms, there are many out there who should not be let near a rifle let alone have a FAC,
    It unerves me that a new FAC holder can go forth into the field and shoot all legal quarry having never handled a rifle before.
    This would not apply if you are a member of an approved target shooting club where a standard of use and handling has to be reached before membership is granted.
    This training would not be a test that has to be passed but rather a series of instruction on good riflemanship over the period that a new FAC takes to administer.
    It could be carried out at a local target club over a couple of weeks, the candidate then recieving a letter confirming that he has attended training in the safe use and handling of firearms.

    Ian.

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    Be able to get any calibre! Then we wouldnt have to buy rifles we dont realy want

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    Training also! Too many people dont no saftey or have respect for quarry and the dangers of bad shooting

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    Quote Originally Posted by Whitebeard View Post
    Compulsary training in the safe use and handling of firearms, there are many out there who should not be let near a rifle let alone have a FAC,
    It unerves me that a new FAC holder can go forth into the field and shoot all legal quarry having never handled a rifle before.
    Quote Originally Posted by dan71 View Post
    Training also! Too many people dont no saftey or have respect for quarry and the dangers of bad shooting
    Is it in fact true that folk are being issued FACs without their having any idea of how to handle a rifle and then going out into the countryside and shooting in an unsafe manner?
    If so, then it is perhaps for the FLDs to check a bit more thoroughly that applicants either know what they're doing, or are to be trusted to get instruction in what they should be doing, before issuing FACs.

    This does not require the law to be altered; just applied!

    If folk are aware of unsafe FAC/SGC-holders, then for all our sakes, let them be set right: and if they will not be set right, reported to the FLDs to have their fitness reviewed.

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    i believe in mentoring being applied to all new users that have never used a rifle before and just being a .22/fullbore club member do's not give the shooter a real world clue on how to use a firearm in the open fields but has its place on giving the safety skills needed . also when and if you are found to have the skills then a open cert meaning you can have a cal of choice not just one thats on the list by which i mean x number of full bore rifles, not being as is now 1x.243,1x.308 etc , just a top amount should that be a factor. mods off ticket as they are only steel or plastic tubes with no rifling, you know less red tape on the rifles and enough or more on the shooter. i think we in the uk jump enough ropes as it is. N.I is part of the uk so are some of the rocks at sea around our coast but they can hold pistols !! go figure! still ha ho us mortals can only but dream.

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