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    Twin Strand Barbed Wire & Stock fence. Question.

    Hi,
    It's that time of year when fawns are getting caught by the back leg as they have gained enough confidence to jump the fences.
    The main culprit seems to be twin strand barbed wire over stock fence and indeed all the deer I have found or been called out to, have been caught like this this and the leg is also caught in the stock fence.

    Recommendations for minimising this seem to be a single strand of barbed wire over the stock fence. My landowner has asked my why this reduces the incidence of Fawns getting caught up ?

    So my question is...is it because a single strand is slightly lower than a double strand fence ? can anyone please explain to me the precise mechanism of deer getting caught and why a single strand reduces the likelihood ?

    Many Thanks,

    Ff

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    It is that it is slightly lower that it reduces the instances of deer caught in fences, but round our way, we have 1 strand on the top and one on the bottom under the stock netting and I find lots of dead deer in fences, what they tend to do is get the leg (usually back leg) caught in between the barbed wire and the stocknetting then the only way of getting out is if someone flips them back over the fence to the side they jumped from. Two strands just adds another chance of getting legs caught between layers!

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    As far as the cases i have seen here and abroad where this occurs the action of the foot/leg going behind the top line and down infront of the second while the animal is going forwards lifts the bottom wire up and they twist together, the very high tension in modern fencing does not help as this action almost cuts into the leg and is almost impossible to resolve with out assistance, normally wire cutters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rick6point5 View Post
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    As far as the cases i have seen here and abroad where this occurs the action of the foot/leg going behind the top line and down infront of the second while the animal is going forwards lifts the bottom wire up and they twist together, the very high tension in modern fencing does not help as this action almost cuts into the leg and is almost impossible to resolve with out assistance, normally wire cutters.
    That's exactly what happens, the worst culprit is slack wires keep the top wires tensioned and its not that much of a problem if the wires are kept tight enough they cant twist when a leg goes between them.

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ID:	46921 Can't see what difference the construction of the barbed wire would make to deer safety. Multiple lines might make a difference.

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    We had a doe the other week which had jumped the fence but then got caught between the two strands of barb wire. Cut the wire but she had either broken or dislocated her back leg as it was being dragged behind her. I will have to ask my client what the damage was next time we talk.

    If the deer stand on the top strand they would be ok but standing on the lower one is what catches them. As they go over their legs will push against the top strand and the bottom strand springs up as they try to jump off, result is the two strands completely trapping the leg either side in a vice like grip.

    I have tried looking for likely areas where the deer will jump the fence and cut one strand and this is normally a short piece of fence between a hedgerow to fill a gap.

    We have an area where the deer are going under a fence where the forestry commission are going to renew the fence soon and they have agreed to leave this for the deer to continue using it.

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    Elmer how do u manage to cut a strand of tension barbed wire without the whole fence going slack?
    Even steepling and tying the barb of against the next post will only cause it to pull over

    If u have regular routes/runs u would be better putting a timber rail between the 2 post so the deer have a solid and visible thing to jump over.
    Wot type of deer are they? Fallow esp younger ones (usually under 2 yrs) tend to kick there back legs out as they jump and it's this extra kick that somehow gets them tangled
    My local estate has tried a few different things, even in some cases just putting a net on with no barb and deer still get caught in the fence (between the top upright and top line wire).

    I PTS any deer i find in a fence, while i'm sure some/most may recover when u skin them and see the damage caused, they must be in some pain. Most legs are on the verge of being dislocated and a lot of bruising and sinew/tendon damage, deer must be in a lot of pain.
    I bet if u seen a recently released deer limping about u would watch it then probably shoot it to end its suffering.

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    just stop leaving the gap!
    thats it

    the extra 2-3 inches isn't stopping the livestock
    use the twin strand barbed wire as the straining wire for the mesh and be done with it

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    Quote Originally Posted by bewsher500 View Post
    just stop leaving the gap!
    thats it

    the extra 2-3 inches isn't stopping the livestock
    use the twin strand barbed wire as the straining wire for the mesh and be done with it
    explain please ?
    a barony original

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    Quote Originally Posted by landkeeper View Post
    explain please ?
    its the gap between the top strands and/or the mesh part that catches feet
    granted you may still catch a few if the top strand is against the top of the mesh but it is likely to be a lot fewer

    this action of the foot going between the top strand gap and the mesh is the most common by far
    the foot then slips back into the mesh part and the top strand locks it, levered into place with the deer's own weight

    eliminate the gap and you eliminate the lever

    Last edited by bewsher500; 17-09-2014 at 13:58.

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