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    British Deer Society

    Organisations can become detached from their membership and bumble on in their unique ways simply accepting they are managing the organisation in the best interests of members.
    What would you suggest needs changing, if anything.
    Questions to ponder:
    Is it responsive enough?
    Is it representative of the membership?
    Is its approach too scientific?
    Would you prefer a more open organisation?
    Would you like more local events or meetings?
    What would increase its membership?
    How's your end of the gene pool today?

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    Bill. It sounds like you are confused as to what the BDS is about or perhaps prompting others with your questions. One thing I will point out before the posts start. The BDS is not about the members it is about deer. This is different to organisations like BASC which is about its members and the shooting fraternity.

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    It's good TB got that in nice an early as it's critical to informing the rebuttals that will follow when responding to certain tensions prompted by the makeup of the membership.

    A less tactful observation might be to point out that the BDS is not The British Deerstalking Society.

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    Last edited by Klenchblaize; 26-09-2014 at 05:43.

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    There would be no BDS without the members !!!!!
    Do you know what nemesis means? A righteous infliction of retribution manifested by an appropriate agent, personified in this case by a 'orrible c@#t, me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tackleberry270 View Post
    Bill. It sounds like you are confused as to what the BDS is about or perhaps prompting others with your questions. One thing I will point out before the posts start. The BDS is not about the members it is about deer. This is different to organisations like BASC which is about its members and the shooting fraternity.
    In principle sounds great but a little utopian. All clubs groups societies etc have heirarchy of membership and membership benefits some more than others. I have never been a member of the BDS and am not in a position to comment on the organisational structure. To say the BDS is not about the members but the deer is surely a little naive.

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    The BDS has lost its way because of attitudes like Klenchbaize/Tackleberry and this has only been a negative towards the deer and deer welfare. In the 70 - 80 s The BDS had a massive membership compared to the amount of active deer stalkers at the time. It could influence the way deer were dealt with and processed. Nowadays it is left to others to decide the future of our deer and the way they are managed. BDS is out of touch out of influence and out of the equation were deer welfare is concerned.
    If it was to try and get back all the members it has lost over the last 40 years it would need to have a radical rethink of what it really wants.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 6pointer View Post
    The BDS has lost its way because of attitudes like Klenchbaize/Tackleberry and this has only been a negative towards the deer and deer welfare. In the 70 - 80 s The BDS had a massive membership compared to the amount of active deer stalkers at the time. It could influence the way deer were dealt with and processed. Nowadays it is left to others to decide the future of our deer and the way they are managed. BDS is out of touch out of influence and out of the equation were deer welfare is concerned.
    If it was to try and get back all the members it has lost over the last 40 years it would need to have a radical rethink of what it really wants.
    How? I wouldn't disagree that improvement could be made but it would be pointless and financially suicidal for BDS to start to try and compete with BASC. BASC do what they do best. On the understanding that BDS want to focus on deer how can they gain this popularity again?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 6pointer View Post
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    If it was to try and get back all the members it has lost over the last 40 years it would need to have a radical rethink of what it really wants.
    You could pose that question at the RSPCA, which brought in restrictions so that it could actually restrict member applications to those who thought like them and from whom they were in no danger from alternative views. A gamekeeper was denied membership and this was taken to court and the judge ruled that it was entitled to be selective. Of course we know where this led. It lost its original animal welfare ethos and became a "public prosecutor with an agenda", while being able to remain as a charity.

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    Lets not forget a few points;

    Firstly the BDS is a charity, other organisations are not.

    Secondly the BDS aim as an organisation to promote Deer welfare and best practice management principles for UK deer species - through training, research and local events.

    Thirdly, the BDS rely on active VOLUNTARY members within their own regions to maintain membership within each area through organising functions visits, activities etc.

    There are over 6000 members of the BDS, other organisations may indeed have more, but the BDS is the ONLY body focussed on the six species of deer in the UK


    The BDS needs active members to continue the good work already being done, they also need support at branch events.

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    Tackleberry the BDS has jumped into bed with every one and his dog , because of this they cannot now work against them even when they (The deer sector) are clearly in the wrong .This has had the effect of tying there hands behind there back and they now just offer lip service and allow there emblem to be used as kudos for a price. All that is wrong with the current system of deer management (and there is plenty) regards deer welfare manipulation of the laws /system by the public departments Should have been challenged by an organisation that should have deer and there deer managers at the top of there list.
    If you walk away from your membership for the back slapping big boys club then you cannot blame your average deer manager from feeling let down by them.

    1/ Charity relies on donations that means the public need to think you are doing something worth while.

    2/ BDS sit on all the BP panels and can see quite clearly what is going on and turn a blind eye. There is no point promoting BP when the public department do not support it.

    3/ They would have more volunteers if they worked with the deer stalkers and got away from the we are better than them attitude.

    4/ Active mebers would be there if they thought good work was being done and quite clearly it is not.

    4/6000 members Andy is a drop in the ocean they should have 20.000 plus we have more than that with LEV 1
    Last edited by 6pointer; 26-09-2014 at 09:11.

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