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    Primer question

    This may be a daft question but I thought I ought to ask for my own peace of mind. Is there any reason why I shouldn't fire empty cases with only the primer in when I've made a cock up? I'm using a Lee Classic loader so removing a live primer by hammering it out is not an option.

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    Run them through the press carefully with your fl die in until they drop out , so far in the neck will do it, or get yourself a decapping die

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    answer to your question is you will not harm anything, But why do you need to take them out ?

    and Swarovski's answer is the best method.

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    No, I wouldn't hammer them out on your Lee Loader kit - the thought of that fairly heavy decap rod being propelled out of the case in the event of a detonation isn't a happy one. (Years back, I wanted to fire the Berdan primer in an old Kynoch 7.65X53mm case where I'd pulled the bullet and dumped the powder - wanted to make an inert round for my collection. In the absence of a 7.65 chambered rifle, I adapted a 308 Win Lee Loader body as a chamber and used the decapper + hammer as a firing pin with the assembly on the garage floor mouth down. I totally underestimated the power of a primer and the noise it makes in this set-up - nearly deafened me as I hadn't thought to put hearing protection on. But, more importantly forgot that it's only the bolt-face that keeps an unstaked primer in the case-pocket. So, on firing, there was an almighty blast back onto my hand that blew the rod back and out of my fingers and the fired primer exited at high speed off into the blue yonder - only by luck not into my face or worse an eye!)

    So, yes the right place to fire them is in a rifle. The barrel quietens the noise a lot, but it's still pretty scary indoors and might frighten the natives if done outside in a suburban garden. Keep the muzzle pointed in a safe direction and well clear of anything likely to be damaged, even more so people! You do get a hard to shift primer residue build-up in the barrel, so if you have a lot to fire off, clean it regularly every 20 primers or so with a bore solvent and a quick scrub with a good quality bore-brush. Otherwise, beg a mate with a benchpress to help out using a dedicated decap die such as the cheap Lee model plus a lot of care (very gently / slowly does it) and eye protection. The recovered primers are usually usable if it's done very gently and they're not a really tight fit in the pocket.

    (Don't anybody ever try to use a press / die for this task with cases from unfired military spec ammo - the primers are staked or ring-crimped into the pocket so would need excess pressure to eject them increasing the chances of detonation.)

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    I remember doing something very similar many many years ago.
    My school pal and I dissected one of his Father's shotgun cartridges to harvest the BB shot from within to use as fishing sinkers.

    Inevitably we were left with the empty primed case.
    The primed case was duly secured in his Father's vice in the garage and was belted with mallet and nail.

    The resounding memory was one of shock as my eardrums reverberated with the explosion which was way and beyond what either of us considered possible.

    Shortly afterwards both our arses further resonated as my chums Father exited the house like a greyhound on acid thinking we had blown up his garage. . . A thorough belting ensued !!!

    That was almost 25 years ago and I still remember the look on his face as he bolted towards us like it was yesterday

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cadex View Post
    I remember doing something very similar many many years ago.
    My school pal and I dissected one of his Father's shotgun cartridges to harvest the BB shot from within to use as fishing sinkers.

    Inevitably we were left with the empty primed case.
    The primed case was duly secured in his Father's vice in the garage and was belted with mallet and nail.

    The resounding memory was one of shock as my eardrums reverberated with the explosion which was way and beyond what either of us considered possible.

    Shortly afterwards both our arses further resonated as my chums Father exited the house like a greyhound on acid thinking we had blown up his garage. . . A thorough belting ensued !!!

    That was almost 25 years ago and I still remember the look on his face as he bolted towards us like it was yesterday
    Sorry but what a great post. Cannot stop laughing thinking about it. Thank you.

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    Jim. If you want to use my press give me a shout. I have in the past taken the de-priming pin out of the FL die and resized after priming some cases that I'd cocked up on. I think I'd only neck sized a batch only to find they had spread at the base so needed FL sizing.
    Don't know what problem you have but I'll help if I can. ATB John.

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    Primer question

    No I wouldn't hammer them out. If you flood the bottom of the case with WD40 and leave it 24 hours then you will kill the primer and could probably (your risk) do so. It would be much better to remove with a press.

    You will need to remove all trace of WD40 from the case afterwards or it will ruin the next primer too.
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    What type of cock up have you done? if you fire your case with just the primer, you may find that the primer will sit out from the head slightly making it awkward to put into the holder on your press.
    Whenever I needed to pull cases I took the De-capping pin out and sized again if needed.

    Leon

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    Quote Originally Posted by jimo View Post
    This may be a daft question but I thought I ought to ask for my own peace of mind. Is there any reason why I shouldn't fire empty cases with only the primer in when I've made a cock up? I'm using a Lee Classic loader so removing a live primer by hammering it out is not an option.
    The OP doesn't have a press, or dies so can't use most of the suggestions.

    The reason why Lee Loaders work & produce accurate results is because they neck size only using cases originally fired in the rifle. OK - whacking something with a mallet is odd behaviour to me, but you can get going for 10% of a conventional press & die kit. It's a survival setup.

    I'm guessing that the cock-up perpetrated by the OP is loading up cases which have been fired in another rifle & won't chamber easily .... or he's overloaded them/loaded them wrongly in some other way. If they don't chamber then the cases are useless to an LL user. If they do chamber then just reload them after pulling the contents, as there's no need to remove or fire the primer first.

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