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    UKDTR call out details and shot site information.

    The vast majority of deer that are shot are killed humanely and quickly recovered. Occasionally an animal is wounded or cannot be found and all conscientious deer stalkers would want to maximise their chances of finding it. One of the most efficient ways of doing this is to use a dog/handler team who can efficiently track an injured but mobile beast, or follow an overnight or older trail.

    Until recent times there have not been many such teams available in the UK but more people are training their dogs, using a distillation of tracking skills from home and abroad, and achieving a very high standard of success.

    Partly because of a lack of reliable tracking teams in the past there has been a reluctance to call for assistance when an animal is thought or known to be wounded. While the deer tracking skills base develops it may still be hard to locate an experienced team but we hope that as the pool of proven tracking teams grows, it will become more common to seek help and easier to find someone locally.

    Increase the number of proven (trained and experienced) tracking teams, linking with other known groups where possible. In order to do this we will provide training events for both novice and developing dog/handler teams. Training will be open to anyone with no compunction to join our voluntary scheme.
    To place as many teams as possible on a voluntary basis, at the disposal of estate managers, deer managers and stalkers in as many parts of the UK as possible. Such teams (usually one handler and one dog) will have demonstrated a recognised level of practical knowledge and ability.

    Stalkers shot site information ~ please read!

    Every stalker wants to achieve a clean, humane kill. Occasionally though, the animal is wounded or cannot be found immediately. In these situations there is a lot you can do to give the best chance of the animal being recovered:

    Immediately after the shot, reload. If there is no immediate need for action (e.g. a second shot) wait, watch and listen. While waiting, recall the animal’s reaction to the shot and make a mental note of exactly where the animal was standing when the shot was fired. Even if you only suspect that the animal is wounded wait for 20-30 minutes before moving.

    Mark where the shot was fired from, if possible mark where the rifle muzzle was.
    Look for the place where the animal was standing (the “Strike” or “Shot site”). If possible approach along the bullet path and begin looking for signs well before you get to the strike, it is often closer (or further) than you think.
    The strike site is a fragile combination of signs. When you find it, look very carefully for signs. Any blood, hair, bone fragment, organ fragment, or gut content is valuable for building a picture of how the animal was hit and may influence how the animal is subsequently tracked. Try your best not to disturb the scene too much in case a tacking team is required. See the Best Practice guide at for more information on strike signs.
    Mark the strike area clearly, preferably placing a marker so that it doesn’t interfere with than attempt to track in the dark.
    If you find no signs or if the signs indicate a wounded but still mobile deer, halt the search and contact an experienced tracking team who will advise you. There is a good chance that if you conduct an immediate random search you will succeed only in moving a wounded animal further away and make it less inclined to stop, make tracking more difficult and prolonging the animal’s suffering.
    Always investigate the strike, even if you think that the animal was missed, a surprisingly high number of “missed” deer are subsequently retrieved.
    It is natural to want to search for a lost deer or even try using a dog to find it but bear in mind that the longer and more intensive your search is the harder you may make it for a tracking team later, nonetheless call them anyway.
    If you do decide to call a tracking team, when you speak with the dog handler, be prepared to answer a number of questions:
    Time/date of shot
    Species/sex of injured animal
    Have you marked where you took the shot from?
    Have you marked the strike/shot site?
    Have you made an intensive search for the animal and/or has a dog already been used to try to find it?
    Can you confirm that you have permission to track deer on the land and would you be able to gain permission on neighbouring land if that became necessary?
    Should the dog handler bring a rifle? Many handlers will prefer to bring their own firearm for dispatch. If permission cannot be granted for that, the handler will rely on whoever is available but, for everyone’s safety, and that of the dog, the handler will expect to be the one to decide when the firearm is loaded and when the shot is fired.
    On site the handler will need to carefully inspect the strike/shot site. The dog will be brought forward only when the handler has the clearest possible picture of what has happened. The handler may insist on waiting before tracking if the incident is very recent. Typical situations where a delay in tracking is recommended are with gut shots (a few hours), and broken limbs/jaws (a minimum of a few hours, 12 or more would not be excessive). Some will be concerned that a wounded animal might not be followed as soon as possible, but rest assured that it is often more humane to wait, sometimes for a few hours or overnight to lessen the chance of the animal still being mobile enough to evade recovery, thus prolonging its suffering. Well trained dogs are more than capable of following a track the next day.
    It will help the handler if there are the minimum of people present. Any bystanders should keep well out of the way and stay off of the trail, the handler may need to bring the dog back to a confirmed section of the trail if the trail is lost.

    Tracking dogs are usually worked on a leash and are trained to ignore game and other wildlife.
    UKDTR trackers are discreet and will not criticise, their only interest is to help find the injured animal. No charge is made for tracking.

    UKDTR tracking teams that maybe able to help are listed below.

    For Lincolnshire, East Nottingham and some of Leicester: call Brian Gilbert on 07968 084 312

    For North Lincolnshire: call Rob (Sarbjit Marwaha) on 07989 46 77 21
    For High Wycombe and within one hour's radius thereof: call Neil Gatward on 07787 523 420
    For Coventry and within one and a half hours thereof: call Richard Evans on 07989 538 350
    For Newbury, North Hampshire and West Berkshire: call Tony Lowry on 07787 15 88 88

    For Winchester and within one hour's radius: call Jamie Cordery on 01962 715 107 or 01962 679 699

    For Gloucestershire and Oxfordshire: call Rob Eames on 07790 075473

    If we can't cover your area please ring Tony Lowry 07787 15 88 88 (see above) as we will put you in touch with handlers from other tracking organisations that can help. Time is of no importance in fact it will probably help aid and recovery, please phone and we will do our best to help you.

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    Just a few pics from what the UKDTR has been upto

    Newark stalking fair by kind invite from Brian & Steve

    A recovery of a muntjac


    on a recent UKDTR team training day

    shot site inspection with a difference

    the white backing paper showing flesh from the shot 8m's approx from the deer still 5 foot high at that distance

    some of the guys on training tracks during the day


    winding Henry up at the end of the track


    working out the corner

    free run to end of track


    ross enjoying his rag at the find

    Myself and Storm on a track
    First 3/4 of the track was an overnight track
    and the last 1/4 was laid the next morning to try and replicate a moved deer with a shot and free track to finish

    Some of the UKDTR tracking teams...

    A few recoveries

    One from Rob as he left the training day early to find this one

    And a few others


    Thank you for your support and calls

    UKDTR. Deer track and recovery
    Free of charge and confidential service

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    I haven't posted anything on the SD dog pages for a while for fear of getting a back lash or nasty comments,
    I see Richard has put up some of the things we at UKDTR have been up to over the last couple of months, so I thought I would let you know about a recovery I had yesterday.
    All our UKDTR teams have had call outs over the part two months, some more than others and I believe Richard is going to post some more pics and a story at some point.

    i received a call yesterday morning from a deer manager who had shot two fallow out of a group of 30+

    the he first doe shot ran 30 yards out into a field and dropped, he then took a bead on a second one which dropped on the spot, he went and picked up the second doe first only to see the first one get up and run into the wood,
    he was very aware of our shot site guidance given on UKDTR's web site so after a very brief look inside the wood he left it a few hours and called me,
    on arrival I had a look at both shot site and the place where the doe had fallen both sites had little blood but what was there look like lung blood, so suspected I short track.
    hooked up the dog to the line and after a couple of hundred yards we found the dead doe.

    thank you for all your support in the way of phone calls and messages I have had for the work all at UKDTR are doing, I would just like to say that all our call outs are free of charge and we just do it for the love of working our dogs.
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    As Tony has mentioned
    a few more pics of what the UKDTR teams have been upto

    February has been an interesting month tracking wise for UKDTR

    with all teams involved in tracks and a few of us also involved as back up tracking teams on movement days

    Brian was called out to this shot site

    but after a good track on some heavy going ground covered with deer and slots decided he may need another trackers opinion .... doing the right thing called on Rob , who went across but after a further 2.5k track put up a fallow that looked pretty healthy with no sign of injury....decided to call the track off at that point

    Robert with another recovery from a movement day

    he also had a 1.5 mile track approx before the boundary issue came into play once more

    boundary fence


    3 more teams were involved in a more intense movement day where succesful tracks were made and deer recovered

    few pics and short write ups of some of the tracks from one of the days

    first track was a combined effort

    An injured Deer was spotted trying to cross a road before the day really got started... quick check over the radio confirmed we were good to go.... I blocked the road and held the traffic up whilst Tony grabbed his rifle (designated rifle for this track) and Neil with his dog Ross commenced the track... after a short distance across a field and into a coppice, Neil & Tony had caught up with the deer but getting a shot was prooving difficult , shots were fired at a very mobile deer moving away from them dropping the deer but it was still very lively

    Ross was released who quickly secured the deer untill Neil arrived and despatched the animal

    as the day went on a call over the radio for a buck that was on 3 legs came through and heading our way

    as it crossed our path a rushed shot at the moving deer never hit the we marked where it entered the trees leaving it to settle and come back to.. as the cover was thick and such a mobile deer may settle in there

    as the movement came to an end, we were told of another deer that needed looking for

    i took the next track ,unfortunately i lost the go pro footage

    as this was an interesting track

    pic of shot site

    as i followed the track it soon took a twist , as the track now followed the same route as the 3 legged buck did into the trees

    I thought to myself ,

    this could be testing for my young dog

    about 100+ metres into the trees ... Storm who had been tracking well started to show signs that some thing was not quite right ... at this point blood was also spotted... bringing Storm back to the blood several times, untill he took a more definate track with the same vigour he had originaly started with , after a further several hundred metres... Storm stopped at a large mass of blood which was then confirmed as a fallow deer that had been shot and recovered by a rifle that was waiting near track concluded but no deer for the dog to get excited over

    the same rifle had also suspected he had a miss that he wanted us to confirm .. his thoughts were confirmed

    now 3 tracks in , 2 followed to a succesful outcome and a miss confirmed...

    The afternoon movement in a different area was very quiet untill a call came in at the end

    the rifle had shot and thought he heard a strike..could not find a shot site but marked where he thought the deer were stood when shot taken.... following the deer to a fence line found lots of pins along the fence in several places but nothing else

    on investigation myself and Tony worked out the deer had been trying to go through the fence in several places before it jumped it and disappeared

    we went to the marked spot and searched for further clues... brit found this

    bullet strike 10 yards infront of marked spot and we recovered the bullet head

    another sucessful conclusion.. a clean miss

    time now getting on.. we went back to look for the 3 legged buck we had left to lie up

    decision made for Neil & Ross to try this track and i was the designated rifle to follow them incase a shot was needed .. as mine had already worked part of this track ... so Neil started from where the buck had entered the trees .. tracked upto the same spot as mine did... but then took a different route going left along side the laurels

    Ross then started to enter the Laurels... seconds later the fallow buck stood up and started to crash through the laurels.. no shot available

    neil released i exited the laurels looking for a safe shot

    Ross caught and dragged the buck down yards in front of me

    Neil still stuck in the laurels.. i moved forward to finish the buck off

    another combined effort by us, that secured another recovery safely

    no deer were lost on the day

    what the day showed us, that all the effort we had put into training and how we have bonded as a group , with the trust we also have in each other is working and working well

    something the UKDTR has always been keen to uphold

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    Incredible work guys. No half measures here!

    The very best of luck to you all in UKDTR


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    Good work guys.

    Its a horrible gut wrenching feeling of loosing a wounded deer.
    Hopefully in the near future I will get a fresh dog for this work.

    In the meantime keep up the good work guys.



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    Some nice pictures and very interesting tracking done. Wish my wee dug could do the same.

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    Thanks for all your comments,
    We have had a very busy start to the year with a lot of call outs all ready as you can see by Richards post,

    Today I have been at Spartsholt collage with another member of our team by kind invitation of there game & wildlife department, talking to the next generation of stalkers and gamekeepers telling them what UKDTR are doing and our plans for the future.
    we did a power point presentation and a small tracking demo,
    we have been invited back in the spring to do more work with the students.
    thank you to all the team at Sparsholt for there support and we are looking forward to the time.

    Deer track and recovery
    Free of charge and confidential service

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    Education is how you change the world! Well done.
    The more I learn about people, the more I like my dog.

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