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    1st rifle package

    Hi, I am in the process of buying my first rifle which will be used for foxes only, I am looking at the Tikka T3 Lite/Burris package along with an ASE ultra moderator, this seems good value to get started with, or alternatively the Howa 1500 packages with a Nikko scope has anyone any advice or experience of these packages, I know that a Swaro, S&B or Zeiss scope is the way to go but I am not willing to spend that sort of dosh yet!!
    Which calibre .223 or .22-250? I am leaning towards a Tikka in .22-250
    Any pointers would be much appreciated
    Many thanks

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    As a first rifle I would advise a 223 1/12 twist over a 22-250. Main reason would be cost of ammo. You'll be able to practice so much more with the 223 which will be more beneficial than a bit more power. Stick with 50-55gr bullets. Some will say to go for a tight twist 223 like a 1/8 however there are more and more complaining about accuracy problems with these. Generally I think they are more finicky than the normal 1/12 twist.
    Second point, shop around and try find a second hand 6x42 or 8x56 S&B/Swaro/Kahles or similar. Even if it is old you'll most likely sell it for the same price years later.
    edi

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    223 is a great caliber, i havent had anything to do with a 22-250. i was looking at howa and tikka rifles and i settled on the tikka, just felt right for me.
    im sure you will be happy with your purchase
    cheers wes,

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    For UK use the 22 250 is a bit of a dead end, more than enough for fox, but not legal for all deer.
    go either 243 or 223

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    I'll second Edi's advice. I run a Sako 85 in .223 for foxes with 1/12 twist. It shoots 40gr Norma factory ammunition with hard-to-believe accuracy out to 300 metres (I haven't got around to testing it on paper further - but will do.) I would suggest that the Tikka is a more 'finished' rifle which you will just get out of the box, zero and crack on. My choice of scope would be a variable though and, in the scenario you describe, would be quite happy with the Burris until I could justify something like a variable Zeiss. The ASE Utra is a great moderator.

    In response to Joe Soapy, whilst I agree that .223 is a better choice in this instance, I don't see how 22-250 lose out to .223 in relation to deer. In any case, the OP has stated he is looking at foxing only.

    regards


    Ian

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    FWIW I have just ordered a Howa 1500 varmint in 223. Went for the Bell and Carlson stock and WP8 moderator. Going with a sub 400 scope for time being, but will upgrade if I need to. 1:12 twist. Hornady V- max. Used for Foxing and bit of ad-hoc field targets <400 yds.
    Didnt like the hogue stock, and wanted to direct feed ammo, which you can't with the T3.............

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    [QUOTE=rabbitter;894751]

    In response to Joe Soapy, whilst I agree that .223 is a better choice in this instance, I don't see how 22-250 lose out to .223 in relation to deer. In any case, the OP has stated he is looking at foxing only.

    regards

    My thought was that if going 22 250, then a 243 would replicate that and do for all deer as well.
    I have been down the 22 250 route, but for foxing was more than needed, but not enough for deer legally .
    add that to extra weight, more costly ammo, more noise then the 223 /222 is a better bet

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    hi i did have the 223 but i find the 22.250 howa more of a long range varmint and roe gun.223 is a good round but 22.250 just that bite more stopin power

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    i would have gone .243 and run factory ammo at first in the 75-100 grain range fox-deer then you have a rifle that will be ok for most ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by joe soapy View Post
    For UK use the 22 250 is a bit of a dead end, more than enough for fox, but not legal for all deer
    Huge following for the 22-250 up here in Scotland though. and I believe it's even legal for Whitetail in some US states? I don't understand why it can't be approved on roe in England, to be honest. It's more than capable enough.
    Last edited by Woodsmoke; 23-12-2014 at 15:28.

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