just got back from my gun shop where i was going to purchase a nice s/b5x25x50pm 2 had a real good play with it outside and to be onest was realy disapointed in it so much for the all singing dancing smit the onley thing i liked was the ret glass was average have looked throe better i.0.r wipes the floor with it what can i say about this scope hmmmm looks ok has s/b on the side ho hum its mince yes and i know im going to get flack for that but there was nothing specal about the s/b all the hipe theres a marine in every one yes stuffed up the scope tube me thinks there was not one thing that maid me or would maike me purchase one so for all the snipers out there go purchase a i.o.r scope it beats the s/b hands down it may be a bit longer than the s/b it may even be a bit hevier than the s/b but the i.o.r just shines when you look throe it the s./b just says im over priced and over hear listen to the hipe purchase me sorrey i left the shop with the money in my pocket now probaly going to get another i.o.r if eney members are intrested in big s/b the scope is on gun trader for 1500pounds with appel mounts extra200 il have the i.o.r at half the price