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Thread: Antique (pre 1939) Air Guns and the VCR? Over 18 proof?

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    Antique (pre 1939) Air Guns and the VCR? Over 18 proof?

    I am of the opinion that the VCR exemptions on antique air rifles...face to face...applies to air gun RFDs so can be sent by post BUT that regardless of that any seller, RFD or private must nevertheless (even though it is an antique air gun) still satisfy themselves that the buyer is over 18.

    Opinions please!

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    [QUOTE=enfieldspares;903308]I am of the opinion that the VCR exemptions on antique air rifles...face to face...applies to air gun RFDs so can be sent by post BUT that regardless of that any seller, RFD or private must nevertheless (even though it is an antique air gun) still satisfy themselves that the buyer is over 18.

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    Antique is no different than non Antique when it comes to age restriction, in my humble opinion. It's the age issue of the person not of the Air Rifle.



    Stan

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    Quote Originally Posted by enfieldspares View Post
    I am of the opinion that the VCR exemptions on antique air rifles...face to face...applies to air gun RFDs so can be sent by post BUT that regardless of that any seller, RFD or private must nevertheless (even though it is an antique air gun) still satisfy themselves that the buyer is over 18.

    Opinions please![/QUO
    Antique is no different than non Antique when it comes to age restriction, in my humble opinion. It's the age issue of the person not of the Air Rifle.



    Stan
    it has to be FTF or rfd

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    Ok all. The guidance is clear that antiques do not have to be FTF even if sold by a person with an AIR RFD. But appears unclear on whether, nevertheless, the seller must satisfy that the purchaser is over 18. That's what I am trying to ascertain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by enfieldspares View Post
    Ok all. The guidance is clear that antiques do not have to be FTF even if sold by a person with an AIR RFD. But appears unclear on whether, nevertheless, the seller must satisfy that the purchaser is over 18. That's what I am trying to ascertain.
    My belief is that FTF is required, same as selling alcohol or tobacco, with regard to age restrictions.

    A simple phone call to Trading Standards (not Firearms Licencing) will provide your answer.

    Stan

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    I will try Trading Standards and BASC, both, tomorrow, but welcome further replies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by enfieldspares View Post
    I will try Trading Standards and BASC, both, tomorrow, but welcome further replies.

    make sure you ask the Trading stds officer for your county as they are all independent so no over all binding path to follow think of it as the Fire arms act with no HO guidlines to try a and sort out a country wide approach
    even the trading stds Institute cant help much as only 50% belong to that group

    so your county officer is the one to say how to keep safe from him

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    I've asked BASC, this is their reply:

    Section 58(2) of the 1968 firearms act say "Nothing in this Act relating to firearms shall apply to an antique firearm which is sold, transferred, purchased, acquired or possessed as a curiosity or ornament."

    The definition of firearm includes 'air weapons' of any lethal power rating. Forensically it is accepted that lethality begins at 1 joule (0.73 ft lbs). So the majority of air rifles (which would otherwise be a low powered (sub 12 ft lb) air rifle (or a section 1 firearm) if they were not an antiques through age), are in fact not subject to age restriction laws contained earlier in the 1968 Act when possessed as a curiosity or ornament having been established as an antique i.e. As from a bygone age as described by the OED.

    The new Home Office guidance contains an accepted list of antique air weapons authored by Bill Harriman and I. The other route is to have an air weapon verified by an accredited or established expert.

    The same in fact applies to all antique firearms.

    BASC Senior Firearms Officer Matt Perring
    Last edited by tFl; 08-01-2015 at 23:50.

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    So, is your Air Rifle on the authorised list? if so, problem gone.

    Stan

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    Ps FTF is not required either where a dealer or individual sells an antique air weapon. Key wording from s58(2) is "nothing in this act shall apply to........ An antique firearm.......

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