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Tim.243
This may assist. H.O Guidance 2013 Chapter 2.
2.14 The marking and certification requirement does not, however, apply in the case of smooth-bore guns, which are manufactured with a non-detachable magazine incapable of holding more than two cartridges. Such guns are not regarded as having been ‘adapted’ within the meaning of section 2(3) since the capacity of the magazine will be secured during the process of manufacture. Although the guns need not comply with the Secretary of State’s specifications, the magazine must meet the requirement in section 1(3)(a)(ii) of the 1968 Act; that is, the magazine must be incapable of holding more than two cartridges.
2.15 When assessing the magazine capacity of a firearm, consideration should be given to the number of cartridges that the firearm was designed or proofed to take. For example, where a shotgun has a magazine which is capable of holding three cartridges but was designed to hold only two, the shotgun should be considered a section 2 firearm rather than a section 1 firearm. Although interpretation of the law is ultimately a matter for the courts, it is thought unlikely, for example, that the insertion of a plastic or wooden plug into a large capacity fixed magazine would, of itself, be regarded as rendering that gun as having a magazine incapable of holding more than two cartridges. The restriction would need to be of an equivalent standard to the methods set out in the Home Office approved specifications in order to meet the requirements of section 1(3)(a)(ii).
Not true... 2X3 1/2"=7"....3X2 1/2"=7 1/2" so if three shorties fit in the magazine the gun IS ILLEGAL.
Pointless having a 3" semi auto if it only fits 2x 2.5" carts!!
According to my FEO that is an illegal shotgun. She tried four in mine but couldn't get the last one to load so mine is legal. Beretta did let some slip through the net and if yours can load four you are breaking the law according to her. She carries four dummy rounds just for this problem and a gun that can load four will be taken off you.
Can you explain your comment please as I am not sure what you mean ?
My reading of this is, if the gun is designed/proofed for e.g 3.5 inch cartridges and the magazine holds only 2 x 3.5 inch cartridges, then it should be regarded as a Section 2 shotgun. Despite the fact that it may hold more than 2 shorter cartridges.
Obviously.... But she had 3 commercially available blanks. Try taking yours to you local FA department and ask them to try?
I'm sure your right. I've had a couple and they were both 4 shot capacity with short cartridgesIt's fine, it's designed for 3.5" cartridges in the magazine and one in the chamber, and that's what it takes. The fact that you can shove more shorter cartridges in there is by-the-by. All 3.5" semi-autos have this feature as far as I know.
In theory, the tube could accommodate 5x2" cartridges, as it could legally be 10" long, long enough for two 3.5" plus a bit, but not enough to fit three. It's capacity is deemed on what it will hold, not 'almost' hold. Only becomes an issue if/when loaded with shorter cartridges shorter than the design, loaded up to three or more.
What is a restricted shotgun?
The Firearms Amendment Act 1988 removed "pump-action" and "semi-automatic" shotguns, which had a magazine capable of holding more than two cartridges, out of the hands of shotgun certificate holders.
They became Section 1 firearms and, since that time, can only be legally held on a firearms certificate.
However, many shotgun certificate holders already possessed such weapons, and consequently either had to dispose of them or have them "restricted".
Restriction is the adaptation of the shotgun magazine allowing it to hold no more than two conventional size cartridges. A third cartridge can still be held in the breech, and this is quite legal.
The adaptation must be done in a manner approved by the Secretary of State and should be carried out by a fully qualified gunsmith. The adaptation is not legal until the shotgun has been proved by one of the two Proof Houses, duly proof marked and a certificate issued by the Proof House.
If you plan to acquire a "pump-action" or "semi-automatic" shotgun on a shotgun certificate, you must ensure that the magazine is incapable of holding more than two cartridges by manufacture or adaptation. In the latter case the shotgun must be so proof marked and accompanied by a certificate from the issuing Proof House. The magazine must also be non removable.
Failure to ensure these points may expose you to being in unlawful possession of Section 1 firearms.
I think the hint is In there... "conventional size cartridges". I have never seen anyone using less than 2 1/2" which cannot be legally loaded X3 in a fixed S1 magazine.
OK back to the original post... I was told by the head of CSP firearms licencing that some Beretta autos imported in to the UK can take 3X 2 1/2" cartridges that is why their FEO's now check this by attempting to insert three inert rounds on any renewal or visit.