JabaliHunter
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Following on from the thread about bewsher500 and his broken S&B scope, perhaps S&B should take a leaf out of this book!
Perhaps S&B can learn something from these guys!
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bewsher500
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ha, seen that before, interesting watching
they are well made but I would really like to find the extremely high frame rate video of moderated and unmoderated firing that Swarovski apparently commissioned
they are well made but I would really like to find the extremely high frame rate video of moderated and unmoderated firing that Swarovski apparently commissioned
Brithunter
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sadly according to some American friends getting Leupold to even admit one of the scopes has a problem is like getting a politician to tell the truth ....................................... nigh on impossible. Several now won't buy any Leupold products due to this issue The warranty looks good on paper and sounds good however the reality is a whole different story.
I'd suggest you direct them here for a read then: Leupold vs. Vortex [Archive] - TexasBowhunter.com Community Discussion Forums Plenty of examples of people who've received exemplary service from Leupold....and that was just the first link I pulled from Google with posts from this year.
A good friend sent his Leupold scope in from the UK and received a new one back. No questions asked. I'd say that's pretty good service.
As their website states:
How did your friends find Leupold wriggled out of that?
willie_gunn
I had a Leupold Warranty claim and the service i recieved was exemplary. The Illuminated Reticle was faulty so i sent it to GMK. They in turn sent it to Leupold service centre in Germany where it was repaired and fully checked over and returned in a few weeks. I bought it second hand too. Abolutely no Quibble and it only cost me the Postage to GMK.
Yorkie.
Yorkie.
My guess is that this whole video story is an urban myth.
If they had commissioned a video like that why would they not have released it? It would surely be in their interest given warranty claims for damaged reticules? Given how often it is cited in threads it is frankly bizarre that no-one has apparently found, let alone posted, a link to the video.
willie_gunn
jimbo1984
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Well as good as thier customer service may be I'll not be buying any leupold scopes I've looked through a few and quality wise they arent anywhere near zeiss s&b and swaro to name a few , yes brithunter is correct the Americans and Canadians really believe leupold are the best quality out there simply because they're made in USA:/
I think the americans hunt far more than us and a larger number of quarry. Also asking all my African buddies there do not seem to be many zeiss and such used out there.
jimbo1984
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Wekl I've lived in Canada and have American relatives and due to the tagging system that only allows you so many animals a year I'd say your wrong mate , your average Canadian only takes a half dozen big game animals a year if that , they shoot a fair amount of coyotes and vermin though
branko
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Leupold beats S&B hungarian easy, and we're not even talking warranties or service.
agree that zeiss is the superior optic though, especially the new HT line it does give you that extra time at lowlight, and in that sense is superior to leupold.
their (leupold) service and warranty is world famous there are no grey areas as far as I know
agree that zeiss is the superior optic though, especially the new HT line it does give you that extra time at lowlight, and in that sense is superior to leupold.
their (leupold) service and warranty is world famous there are no grey areas as far as I know
jimbo1984
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Sorry but that's not my experiance and from what I've seen there's zero difference between the Hungarian and German Schmidt line and nobody I know has noticed a difference either ...
No-one was suggesting that Leupold match the big three European names when it comes to quality of glass. It was rather about robustness and reliability.
My illuminated Leupold 1.25-4 VX-R cost me just over £300 new and comes with a lifetime warranty. A similar spec'd scope from a European maker would have cost me nearly £1,300 new. I will use the scope maybe once or twice per year and I'll be shooting boar during the day. I can probably forego the marginal quality difference in this case.
willie_gunn
I too have lots of family living over in America, and Africa , when you say tags there are tremendous numbers given out, One person may only have a few but apart from all the american and the canadians that shoot there are also many many outfitters offering shooting to foreign clients.
Brithunter
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Funnily enough two of my American friends have been discussing Leupolds warranty recently. Rick sent back a scope that was not holding zero. Leupold shipped it back saying nowt wrong with it so he sent it back with targets shot using their scope and with another Brand from the same rifle the same day. The Leupold's couldn't be called a group more of a pattern.
Leupold finally sent his scope back saying it was now fixed despite their previously saying it was fine.
So much for Leupolds famous warranty.
Leupold finally sent his scope back saying it was now fixed despite their previously saying it was fine.
So much for Leupolds famous warranty.
8x57
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Crikey mate you need to book an appointment with specsavers.
Haven't had a problem with any S & B scopes so can't comment on their warranties but did have a problem with a Leupold which I purchased from one of the large mail order companies. The problem was resolved eventually but only after it coming close to court action. The service was so bad that I am unlikely to ever buy another Leupold and certainly won't be buying anything off Uttings ever again, nor was I very impressed by GMK.
jthyttin
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Don't understand the hype about Leupold myself. Judging on the outside, they're nice workmanship, very sleek and lightweight.
They're however not made in the USA, those stickers were left out many years ago on the packaging and scopes. Seems that even Mark4 is not made in US anymore.
The quality control is nothing to brag about, they e.g. consider 5 degrees canted reticle within normal tolerance (this is for lower end like VX-I and VX-II, don't know about higher end scopes).
Nowadays Leupold is also very expensive brand. While they have some advantages over European brands (lightweight etc.) there's same quality/specifiation "US made" stuff for half the price (Burris, Sightron etc.)
They're however not made in the USA, those stickers were left out many years ago on the packaging and scopes. Seems that even Mark4 is not made in US anymore.
The quality control is nothing to brag about, they e.g. consider 5 degrees canted reticle within normal tolerance (this is for lower end like VX-I and VX-II, don't know about higher end scopes).
Nowadays Leupold is also very expensive brand. While they have some advantages over European brands (lightweight etc.) there's same quality/specifiation "US made" stuff for half the price (Burris, Sightron etc.)
bewsher500
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I am a big Leupold fan and have owned 5 or so now from VX1 through VX3
They are very well made and track well, seem to hold zero well and are very reasonable for the features.
However without a direct comparison it is impossible to say what will allow better viewing at low light and what wont
I can say that one dark evening in Dumfries when I could see the buck through my 8x42 Leicas, my brother could not see him through cheaper his 10x50's and more importantly I could not see him through my VX3 6.5-20x44 Leupold!
Am sure if I have a 6x42, 7x50, or 8x56 zeiss, swaro, S&B, Kahles, Leica, Meopta etc I MAY have been able to see......we will never know!
I have since ditched anything with a zoom facility and gone back to fixed mags.
Something I think the bigger makers should probably consider before the 2nd hand market dries up!!
They are very well made and track well, seem to hold zero well and are very reasonable for the features.
However without a direct comparison it is impossible to say what will allow better viewing at low light and what wont
I can say that one dark evening in Dumfries when I could see the buck through my 8x42 Leicas, my brother could not see him through cheaper his 10x50's and more importantly I could not see him through my VX3 6.5-20x44 Leupold!
Am sure if I have a 6x42, 7x50, or 8x56 zeiss, swaro, S&B, Kahles, Leica, Meopta etc I MAY have been able to see......we will never know!
I have since ditched anything with a zoom facility and gone back to fixed mags.
Something I think the bigger makers should probably consider before the 2nd hand market dries up!!
Vipa
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I love S&B but I would only put my trust in the top end stuff.. my PMII was fantastic.. but then, it should be..
My first scope sat atop a T3 lite in 6.5x55 was a Hungarian S&B 8x56.. took it to the range, fired 3 shots off with the moderator on and then removed the mod to get an idea of POI change... first shot... the internals fell apart.. literally, everything fell out of whatever was holding it in place! Macleods replaced it promptly but it wasn't a very good introduction to the brand..
I have also had 2 Swaro Z6is.. they did the job but I never thought they were anything special.... my PMII 5-25x56 was fabulous but I think when the stalking rifle is replaced it will have a zeiss on top but again, only if I can afford one from up the range, I was wholly unimpressed by the Duralyt I looked through at the shooting show.
I did have a Leupold VXIII on an air rifle at one point which, I have to say was optically better than anything else I've used/had other then the PMII and the Gen1 Z6i (I think the 2nd gen is of poorer quality not better) how it would have faired under heavy recoil I don't know as I never tried it.
When the time comes, If I cant afford top shelf kit, then it will probably be a leupy I go for rather than anything else in the sub £700 range!
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