17hmr for 204 ruger swap

J0RD4N

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I'm thinking about swapping my 17hmr for a 204 ruger.
ive got a 22lr for rabbits. 204 would be mostly for crows and geese.
was thinking a 204 or 223.
Could you give me a bit more info on the 204.
Cheers
 

SussexFallow

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I did the same. Had a 223 too and used 40grain superperformance in both. Nothing in it really. Maybe a slight reduction in recoil favouring the 204.
 

Blacknsilver

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I am relatively new to the .204. Had it for a few months. Must say it's a cracking round. Best shot so far is a 357 yard. 1 mildot holdover. Hardly any recoil. Fast and flat with great knock down power. I see no draw backs.
 

jimbo1984

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I'd go with .222 or .223 at least then you can shoot roe in Scotland with them I love my .222 best rifle I ever bought
 

triggersqueezer

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thats like selling your spanner to buy a hammer if funds only allow 1 and not both then funds won't like sending 204 ammo imo .if your not shooting many rounds then why not.do some research on twist rates first and check out 204ruger.com great fun cal
 

JTO

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It would be of interest if people with long-term experience of both .204 and .223 could pass on judgement/opinion on the likely barrel life of each calibre.
 

Muir

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I shoot both out to ranges that are at the limits of the cartridges abilities. What is stated in the linked post is true: driven at the same speeds, the say 40 grain VM from the 204 will shoot flatter and have less drift than the same wt bullet from the 223. However...

If you are shooting at ranges to 200 - 300 yards on creatures the size you are describing, you can juggle BC's and bullet weights in the 223 and get all the performance you would need. I am shooting a 1:8 twist Ruger American and my 10 shot rapid fire groups at 200 (prone) are under a minute with 69 grain bullets. This with a 2MOA hold over from my 100 yard zero. Two-two-three brass is cheap and plentiful as are the bullets. I have shot this same bullet to over 800 yards with accuracy; a feat I have never been able to duplicate with the 204 40 grain loads. (not a fair comparison, I know...) I really like the 204 but there is much to recommend the 223 (or 5.56 as the case may be) for all around shooting. ~Muir
 

Blacknsilver

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I have a 1 in 10 twist. My perms are at best 500 yard if I wanted to put out targets. I have to a couple of hundred yards and found it to be very accurate and not affected with wind as my ballistic apps have made out.
I like the low recoil and to see the strike. Not saying you can't with the .223. I would like the luxury of many rifles in the cabinet. .22lr 17hmr 25. Fac air and the .204 is as much as I need.
I have done some reading up as you do but not really found much on barrel life of the 204. I suppose a few factors need to be taken into consideration which would dertermin that. So looking forward the thread.
 

Muir

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I have a 1 in 10 twist. My perms are at best 500 yard if I wanted to put out targets. I have to a couple of hundred yards and found it to be very accurate and not affected with wind as my ballistic apps have made out.
I like the low recoil and to see the strike. Not saying you can't with the .223. I would like the luxury of many rifles in the cabinet. .22lr 17hmr 25. Fac air and the .204 is as much as I need.
I have done some reading up as you do but not really found much on barrel life of the 204. I suppose a few factors need to be taken into consideration which would dertermin that. So looking forward the thread.
Recoil is really not a consideration when comparing the two unless you have absolutely identical rifles. I get no recoil from either in the sense that I can see the bullet strikes. (very important while shooting prairiedogs) We shoot varmints in areas were you can see and shoot for a mile and better if you have the gear. Prairiedogs are usually a 500 yard affair. I liked the 204's ability on the sod-rats so much i gave it to my girlfriend so that her guess work would be minimized and I took up the .223.~Muir
 

bobby18

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got a 204 and 223 at the moment use 32grainers mostly in 204 shoots flatter than the 40s,i use 40grainers in the 223 would say their nearly on par with 40s in the 204.
 

Blacknsilver

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Recoil is really not a consideration when comparing the two unless you have absolutely identical rifles. I get no recoil from either in the sense that I can see the bullet strikes. (very important while shooting prairiedogs) We shoot varmints in areas were you can see and shoot for a mile and better if you have the gear. Prairiedogs are usually a 500 yard affair. I liked the 204's ability on the sod-rats so much i gave it to my girlfriend so that her guess work would be minimized and I took up the .223.~Muir
they sound like a fun day shooting.
Used a .222 but not the .223. i really enjoy shooting mine. It's a semi custom number. Match barrel jewel trigger etc. Always more pleasurable shooting or fishing with a well tuned set up.
 

Muir

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they sound like a fun day shooting.
Used a .222 but not the .223. i really enjoy shooting mine. It's a semi custom number. Match barrel jewel trigger etc. Always more pleasurable shooting or fishing with a well tuned set up.
I have a triple deuce as well tho not custom. It's a Model 70 Winchester I recrowned and tunde the trigger on. Shoots wonderfully. I love .222. One of my favorite cartridges.~Muir
 

Muir

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got a 204 and 223 at the moment use 32grainers mostly in 204 shoots flatter than the 40s,i use 40grainers in the 223 would say their nearly on par with 40s in the 204.
That depends on the bullet selection. The ballistic coeffecient on like bullets (say Hornady V-Max 40 grn in 204 and 224) is much higher in the 204. Almost 30% in this instance. Theoretically, that makes a big difference when fired at the same velocities. In practice, on a hot dusty prairiedog town on Soap Creek, when the wind is clipping at 10-18mph and you're trying to hit a 8" tall target, 3.5 inches wide at the base tapering up to 1" wide at the head -at 450 yards from a loose rest- you won't notice it much! ;) ~Muir
 

Blacknsilver

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Mine me likes the 32grain v max. 28.5grain H4895 powder. 3800 ft per second. When it starts to lose accuracy then I will start to worry about the condition of the barrel. Then change it. Until then I will shoot it when I like and clean as necessary.
My mate shoots the. 222 and again he loves it.
 

Whitebeard

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Forget the 20 cals and get a fast 17 then be amazed at what these little bullets can do, i shoot 17 Fireball and can honestly say it puts a smile on my face every time i pull the trigger

Ian.
 

Blacknsilver

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Forget the 20 cals and get a fast 17 then be amazed at what these little bullets can do, i shoot 17 Fireball and can honestly say it puts a smile on my face every time i pull the trigger

Ian.
isnt getting the brass or rounds for it the difficult part? The fireball does get some good reviews.
 

Finch

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they sound like a fun day shooting.
Used a .222 but not the .223. i really enjoy shooting mine. It's a semi custom number. Match barrel jewel trigger etc. Always more pleasurable shooting or fishing with a well tuned set up.
I had a .222. Replaced it with a .243 because I wanted my fox rifle to be Roe-legal. I loved the triple. It seems to shoot itself, it you know what I mean. Just didn't have to try. Trouble is I don't reload and finding the ammo it liked was becoming a pain. I miss it though.
 

J0RD4N

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My problems are the 17's are to light a round for where I am. That's why I was after a heavier round.
Im seeing some good ups and downs for both 204 and 223.
thanks for all the replies.
 

Muir

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isnt getting the brass or rounds for it the difficult part? The fireball does get some good reviews.
I had a 17MachIV (Fireball by an earlier name) back in the 80's. It's a good one but brisk winds will dik your shots at distance.~Muir
 

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