18 year old daughter showing interest - where/how to begin

[VSS]

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Think we’ll have to agree to disagree!

Maybe.
I certainly won't let your interpretation prevent me from lending someone my rifle!

 

[25 Sharps]

Maybe.
I certainly won't let your interpretation prevent me from lending someone my rifle!

Your call.

If they didn’t want written permission for lending a rifle they wouldn’t have gone to the effort of changing the legislation to clarify it!

And if you own the sporting rights it’s a non-issue anyway!

 

[Nimrod1960]

I definitely think you should both do your DSC1 together. Make it a little friendly competition and it'll be great bonding

She will of course score higher than you , the young always do when they put their minds to something.

 

[Bowland blades]

So, my now 18 year old daughter is beginning to show interest in deer stalking. She has accompanied me on vermin shoots since she could walk, so she has a grasp of firearms safety, and she is a pretty decent shot with an air rifle, FAC air and .22lr

She has just started a degree in wildlife conservation and for the last couple of months she has mentioned deer stalking a few times, enough so that I know it's of interest.

The old chap who I used to shoot deer for sadly passed last year, so I no longer have a deer permission. I am not DSC1/2 qualified, with no intention of becoming so. I arrange stalking as and when I have the time, and only ever for meat.

For vermin I have thermal and various night vision optics on FAC air, 22lr, and 5.56/223, and for deer I have my .270/Meopta combo.

What would be the best way to get some introductory training for my daughter, with a view of her gaining DSC1/2 in the future ?

Should I apply for a .243 slot for her, or is now an appropriate time for her own FAC application ?

I have agreements on various permissions, and I am sure I could have some of those agreements amended to include her, which would be more than sufficient for an FAC application.

As an aside she has already begun to look into ATV training, meat and game prep/handling, 4x4 training etc

Thoughts/suggestions greatly appreciated.

Thanks for looking.

I think my youngest got her FAC at 13-14 year old ? the applicant needs to have good reason to acquire ( meaning having land to shoot quarry or booked stalking dates). 243 win is a great choice for all UK deer and fox / vermin
Perfect time to get into the bigger guns
ATV training etc might well be in her course anyhow ( my Wife Runs a Agricultural college ) depending on the vocation wishes she is going to be in good stead to get these quals ( on or off campus )

 

[Jh1986]

She will of course score higher than you , the young always do when they put their minds to something.

I could definitely see some Daddy/Daughter cheating on the shooting test

 

[slider]

“Occupier” is no longer at all relevant, it is not contained in the legislation.

With a sporting lease you lease all or part of the sporting rights, so you are the controller of all or part of the sporting rights, you do not have permission or authority.

If someone has permission to do something they do not have the right to do it, they have permission to do it which is not the same thing.

Think we’ll have to agree to disagree!

@Conor O'Gorman any clarification from BASC on this? Does loaning of a rifle for a permission (sorry @VSS ) holder / someone not controlling the sporting rights require specific written permission?

Since there is an Occupier Liability Acy there must be a definition of an occupier.

Occupiers' liability generally refers to the duty owed by land owners to those who come onto their land. However, the duty imposed on land owners can extend beyond simple land ownership and in some instances, the landowners may transfer the duty to others, hence the term occupier rather than owner. The term occupier itself is misleading since physical occupation is not necessary for liability to arise. Occupiers' liability is perhaps a distinct form of negligence in that there must be a duty of care and breach of duty, causing damage. The rules of remoteness apply to occupiers liability in the exact same way that they apply to negligence claims. Liability can arise on occupiers for omissions since their relationship gives rise to duty to take action to ensure the reasonable safety of visitors. The law relating to occupiers' liability originated in common law but is now contained in two major pieces of legislation:

 

[25 Sharps]

Since there is an Occupier Liability Acy there must be a definition of an occupier.

Occupiers' liability generally refers to the duty owed by land owners to those who come onto their land. However, the duty imposed on land owners can extend beyond simple land ownership and in some instances, the landowners may transfer the duty to others, hence the term occupier rather than owner. The term occupier itself is misleading since physical occupation is not necessary for liability to arise. Occupiers' liability is perhaps a distinct form of negligence in that there must be a duty of care and breach of duty, causing damage. The rules of remoteness apply to occupiers liability in the exact same way that they apply to negligence claims. Liability can arise on occupiers for omissions since their relationship gives rise to duty to take action to ensure the reasonable safety of visitors. The law relating to occupiers' liability originated in common law but is now contained in two major pieces of legislation:

But it’s not contained in the Firearms Act so is no longer relevant to the estate rifle rule.

 

[slider]

But it’s not contained in the Firearms Act so is no longer relevant to the estate rifle rule.

Doesn't matter of the term Occupier is in the firearms Act. The definition of an Occupier is universal in legislation and, in particular, all land related matters.

 

[25 Sharps]

Doesn't matter of the term Occupier is in the firearms Act. The definition of an Occupier is universal in legislation and, in particular, all land related matters.

Did the previous 11A exemption not state occupier or their servant?

 

[shortshot]

Occupier is used to encompass either landlord or tenant in land use and liabilities. The occupier of a land holding goes far beyond who has or has not permission to shoot,fish or hunt over that land but the occupier “should” know better than anyone who can and cannot use a firearm on that land.

 

[spurs14]

Have a look on dgvm website or give them a call , on Facebook there was an advert for a ladies only day , an introduction to deer stalking , classroom , range work and a stalk if wanted ,
Limited to four places it’s a day course held at Chippenham , near Newmarket suffolk

 

[Leroux]

I have an 18 year old son who obtained his FAC a couple of years ago. Member of NRA and did 6 days of training courses at Bisley. All my 3 rifles are also on his FAC. He can target shoot independently from me but stalk under my supervision for now. It has worked well for us.

 

[Bowland blades]

So, my now 18 year old daughter is beginning to show interest in deer stalking. She has accompanied me on vermin shoots since she could walk, so she has a grasp of firearms safety, and she is a pretty decent shot with an air rifle, FAC air and .22lr

She has just started a degree in wildlife conservation and for the last couple of months she has mentioned deer stalking a few times, enough so that I know it's of interest.

The old chap who I used to shoot deer for sadly passed last year, so I no longer have a deer permission. I am not DSC1/2 qualified, with no intention of becoming so. I arrange stalking as and when I have the time, and only ever for meat.

For vermin I have thermal and various night vision optics on FAC air, 22lr, and 5.56/223, and for deer I have my .270/Meopta combo.

What would be the best way to get some introductory training for my daughter, with a view of her gaining DSC1/2 in the future ?

Should I apply for a .243 slot for her, or is now an appropriate time for her own FAC application ?

I have agreements on various permissions, and I am sure I could have some of those agreements amended to include her, which would be more than sufficient for an FAC application.

As an aside she has already begun to look into ATV training, meat and game prep/handling, 4x4 training etc

Thoughts/suggestions greatly appreciated.

Thanks for looking.

Totally yes ! Go for it , .243 is perfect my youngest gained her Fac younger than that . A .22LR is a great and cheaper practice rifle away from the Hills and forrestry . an airgun is cheap to run ammo wise and there are indoor and outdoor ranges about she might want to join .
My own daughter has never wished to shoot a deer , but she has hunt other quarry and i have had her out on some good stalks ( the buzz of deerstalking is all in the stalk anyway , getting close up without spooking them . All the fun is in the stalk anyhow