kennyc
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around here the WMR ammo is cheaper than HMR, and theres a far greater variety of it as well, semi auto WMR fills the same niche as semi auto LR ,multiple rabbits
22 rimfire lr or wmr
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Purchase a 22lr with moderator and a 22 Hornet with or without a can.
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enfieldspares
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Where's local FARMERJ?
Overlay
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Yep
Everyone should have 22 LR, such a versatile calibre, then up to the WMR for a short range foxing calibre will shoot straight out to a 100 yds no problem with 35 grn v max ammo
Around Bicester Oxfordshire, I think I’ll have to stretch my legs a bit and go further out. Speaking to my RFD he mentioned he has a couple boxes on the shelf but they have sat there for a longggg time and would be hesitant ordering in.
enfieldspares
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How far is Rugby up the M40 to Norman Clarke? Is there still the gunshop at Banbury?
kennyc
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take a ride out and fill yer boots
That’s on the cards!
I have both different animals altogether. wouldn't be without a 22LR but the WMR is a handy tool but not essential
Very dangerous. Generally considered potentially lethal up to 1.5 miles, if shot at the "optimum" angle. Sure, maybe only usable accurately to say 100 yards, but lethal way beyond that.
I'd guess the old Rook and Rabbit calibres were even more so, bigger heavier bullets, similar velocities.
Only crack a window ? Crack a skull certainly.
Here's a tragic example, IIRC the poor boy was over a mile away in the school playground when he suffered life changing injuries. The forensics people reckoned the bullet dropped 14 metres, so those with ballistic calculators could have a guess at the range, angle etc.
OAP finally admits to attack that almost killed five-year-old boy
A 73-year-old man has admitted shooting a five-year-old boy in the head as he played with friends in the grounds of an Ulster primary school.
www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk
Tf223
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Depends... if you’re after rabbit for the pot 22lr. If you’re mainly doing pest control and also want to be able to shot foxes at sensible ranges then
22wmr
I have both, but invariably if I get out in the fields it’ll be the 22wmr with me as i don’t shoot for the pot and a can then deal with foxes too. Plus it has the legs at range, and much less loopy.
Never had an ammo supply issue, even though I use the federal premium hollow points (buy them when you see them - 1500 on my cert). They’re a great round and vary rarely pass through a grown rabbit, instead imparting all their energy within so even if the shot placement wasn’t the greatest they drop like a bag of spuds.
There are now subsonic 22Wmr rounds availible if you want that option. But on the other side of the coin I found stinger HV rounds in a 22lr to be too inconsistent accuracy wise, so the 22lr is only fed subsonics.
The 22lr is a great round, but mostly limited to rabbiting. I’d plump for the 22wmr if I had to decide just because it’s the closest to an all rounder for my tasks.
Harry mac
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That rifle sounds familiar. Do we know eachother?
As I have mentioned before, I lived an entire winter by the use of a Marlin 22 WMR. I hiked miles anbd miles of sub-zero snow covered prairie with it and shot game for the table and coyotes for pelt money -and that was back when the 22WMR was stuck in it's 40grain /1910 fps mode. I have nothing but praise and as Sharkey said, no 22LR could have accomplished this for me. Make all the comparisons you want but in the end, the 22WMR is firing a ballistically superior jacketed bullet at much higher velocities. I have seven 22WMR's in bolt, lever and auto. The 22WMR rounds wew have now are very good indeed. My favorite is the 30 grain Federal that I have clocked at 2360 fps from my CZ 452.
All that said, I have more 22LR than I can recall and if I had to chose ONE between them, it would always be the 22LR.~Muir
All that said, I have more 22LR than I can recall and if I had to chose ONE between them, it would always be the 22LR.~Muir
Hunterjohnb
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Why not buy a switch barrel and have the option of .22 lr,.22 wmr and .177 hmr. You are then not limited to just the one. Sako quad or CZ 455 come to mind.
Of course there were a lot more people living and working in the rural bits back then.
There's a big difference between a 22lr bullet going straight up and straight down again (as in standing directly underneath rook branchers and shooting up at them) and a 22lr bullet fired at the optimum angle for maximum range.Very dangerous. Generally considered potentially lethal up to 1.5 miles, if shot at the "optimum" angle. Sure, maybe only usable accurately to say 100 yards, but lethal way beyond that.
I'd guess the old Rook and Rabbit calibres were even more so, bigger heavier bullets, similar velocities.
Only crack a window ? Crack a skull certainly.
Here's a tragic example, IIRC the poor boy was over a mile away in the school playground when he suffered life changing injuries. The forensics people reckoned the bullet dropped 14 metres, so those with ballistic calculators could have a guess at the range, angle etc.
OAP finally admits to attack that almost killed five-year-old boy
A 73-year-old man has admitted shooting a five-year-old boy in the head as he played with friends in the grounds of an Ulster primary school.
In the first instance it wouldn't be much more significant than a large hailstone if it fell on you. In the second case, it might kill someone a mile and a half away.
(That said, I won't be trying it anytime soon!).
Tf223
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This prompted me to take the WMR out on Friday evening, was out for 1.5-2 hours and walked across two separate fields and back each time
18 rabbits and 3 foxes accounted for. Definitely a good all rounder for vermin control
Quick and dirty guestimate, based on military research from the 1920s:
Terminal velocity of .22LR bullet returning, having been shot vertically, perhaps 200 fps. For a 40 grain LR bullet that's 4 fpe, i.e. approaching full power air pistol levels, which would have to smart if it smacked you on the head or shoulders, maybe even seriously injure a child. I may be a bit out with the estimate, but I think it's in that ballpark. Actually I tried calculating the terminal velocity for a .22LR 40 grain bullet with CD of 0.19 theoretically and came up with a rather higher figure, but that doesn't take into account tumbling etc..
For .30 calibre the research suggested 300 fps terminal velocity. So say a 150 grain bullet would have 30 fpe, which is definitely dangerous, which was the conclusion. They were looking into this, being worried about risks to personnel.
And of course as soon as they are fired away from vertical, the risks become far higher.
I'm not convinced that every rook shoot was conducted vertically upwards. Some of it would surely have been done by shooting up into the rookeries at the "branchers" from a little distance, sometimes by large shooting parties, unlikely to be hitting a rook with every shot, perhaps getting through a lot of ammunition.
Some of the calibres were quite large, , say .30, 140 grains, 1500 fps. I'd expect one of those to fall vertically back to earth at much the same terminal velocity as a modern .30 calibre would, even though it was initially launched with much lower energy. That would be risky, vertical or not. The smaller calibres were comparable to a .22LR, so I'd also expect them to have had a similar lethal range if shot into the air at an angle. As for the lethal range of a large rook calibre, shot at an angle, with about four times the energy, that's surely got to be even more dangerous, over similarly long distances.
Perhaps they were just lucky in those days that if it ever happened it was a rare occurrence, and woundings not widely reported, whereas fatalities were, I've found several reports with just a little googling. Those certainly happened due to negligent discharges (or "accidents" as they used to be known), going out in large shooting parties can't have helped.
For things up in trees, surely that's the job for air rifles and shotguns nowadays ?
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