22WMR to replace 22LR/17HMR??

[TringSaint]

Afternoon,
I have been pondering a change in my gun cabinet by obtaining a 22wmr as a replacement for my 22LR/17hmr or both!

Having not shot an 22wmr I can’t comment on its performance, but am looking at the T2/Guncraft AR15 stylee ones, so I was interested to see what the collective on hear think.

Do I stick or twist? And if I twist which do I ditch? 22?17? Or both?

FYI, my 22 is a modified Lantac Sig Sauer 522 and the 17 is a bog standard CZ452.

Thx

 

[Foxyboy43]

22 magnum is a great round but in my experience not as accurate as the 17 hmr. I have both - for corvids/rabbits I reach for the .17. If I expect a fox to come along the 22 magnum comes out. That said if it is a foxing night the .222 is my go-to.
I would keep the 22 lr - the flexibility afforded by subsonics is very useful and something you may well miss. Beyond that it is your call.

 

[Trickyd66]

As @foxyboy34 says, I would hold onto the 22lr for its flexibility and cost to feed. The WMR isn't as flat as the HMR so takes more working out hold over /under but a great round less affected by wind than the HMR. Only plus point of swapping the LR for WMR is it would be a staight(ish) swap as long as your licence only says .22RF. You'd need to add a .22RF if you were to remove the HMR. Personally I would just add a slot for the WMR and keep the LR &HMR.

 

[plumber01]

Having grown up shooting on wet windy mountains in Wales, I would choose a 22wmr any day over a .17hmr, i found the range better on good weather on a hmr, but good weather and wales are often far apart, and wind and rain are no friends of a HWR
your normally still good to about a 100 with a 22mag and that was usualy enough really.
I think I would find it hard to give up on a .22rf, as above subs etc are great, and with the cost of ammo, you can still get 100 x .22rf rounds for a little over a tenner.
I would look for a Weihrauch or Anschutz and your wont go far wrong.
good luck

 

[Overlay]

Keep em all and get the WMR
all have a different purpose

 

[TringSaint]

Thanks all for your input.
Of all my rifles the HMR gets the least use, mainly because there are bugger all rabbits around here (used to be loads!) so that is the one most likely to get the chop.
Don’t get me wrong, the HMR is a great round, but anything more than a gnat’s fart of a crosswind and you may as well go home! Plus numerous squib rounds and some ammo inconsistencies have turned me off it a little bit.
The sig was my first firearm so it holds a special place in my heart and one of the RO’s at my club hates it cos it’s one of those black rifle things!!

Given we can’t have a proper semi auto anymore, the WMR seems to cover both the longer range of the HMR and the enhanced grin over the 22 semi, so my gut feel is to chop the CZ (it is also my only wooden rifle!!) and flip to one of the AR WMR’s and have some fun, sorry go and do some serious shooting which is absolutely not fun in any way!!

 

[sharkbait]

unless you know someone to get a wmr cheap off I really wouldn't bother!
Theory is
Hmr ammo wmr. 22lr ammo is increasingly pricey none of them calibers can be reloaded
I would go down the route of .22 hornet better caliber and more power than all three cheap to run and can reload subsonic rounds! Just my two bits worth!

 

[TringSaint]

unless you know someone to get a wmr cheap off I really wouldn't bother!
Theory is
Hmr ammo wmr. 22lr ammo is increasingly pricey none of them calibers can be reloaded
I would go down the route of .22 hornet better caliber and more power than all three cheap to run and can reload subsonic rounds! Just my two bits worth!

Got a 243 so a hornet is a waste of time.
Plus you can’t have a semi auto hornet (one of the reasons for considering the WMR).

 

[sharkbait]

Got a 243 so a hornet is a waste of time.
Plus you can’t have a semi auto hornet (one of the reasons for considering the WMR).

Oh OK but as others have said don't get rid of your .22lr you'll regret it

 

[TringSaint]

Oh OK but as others have said don't get rid of your .22lr you'll regret it

I agree.
The sig is a great rifle and is worth more to me that it’s £ value.

 

[stubear]

I’d get a .22 hornet over a .22 mag. The .22 mag doesn’t offer that much more real world range over the .22LR but the hornet is awesome out to 200y. It gets a bit loopy after 200y but with a 100y zero it only drops 1-1.5” at 200

I wouldn’t count the .243 as a substitute for the hornet either - .243 is 2000ft/lb and a 100gn bullet whereas the hornet is less than half that, one quarter the powder and 30-50gn bullets. It’s a superb varmint cartridge and frankly if it was legal it would be a superb muntjac/CWD cartridge as well. If it’ll kill a fox it’ll kill a small deer like that dead easy

 

[25 Sharps]

Thanks all for your input.
Of all my rifles the HMR gets the least use, mainly because there are bugger all rabbits around here (used to be loads!) so that is the one most likely to get the chop.
Don’t get me wrong, the HMR is a great round, but anything more than a gnat’s fart of a crosswind and you may as well go home! Plus numerous squib rounds and some ammo inconsistencies have turned me off it a little bit.
The sig was my first firearm so it holds a special place in my heart and one of the RO’s at my club hates it cos it’s one of those black rifle things!!

Given we can’t have a proper semi auto anymore, the WMR seems to cover both the longer range of the HMR and the enhanced grin over the 22 semi, so my gut feel is to chop the CZ (it is also my only wooden rifle!!) and flip to one of the AR WMR’s and have some fun, sorry go and do some serious shooting which is absolutely not fun in any way!!

You won't regret it.

I own a BSA BA .22LR, Kriss Defiance .22LR SA, Marlin BA WMR and BRNO 611 WMR SA, I have owned a CZ HMR and got rid for the reasons you list above.

WMR is a great round and out of a bolt action its a 125 yard round for rabbits, can be pushed further but not as reliable. Semi auto 0.22 WMR is just great fun, but will get expensive, particularly out of a high capacity AR magazine, WMR is approaching 50p a round now in some places for some loads, more for some! So I would keep the 0.22 for cheap plinking and the get the WMR for the grin factor . . . .

 

[25 Sharps]

I’d get a .22 hornet over a .22 mag. The .22 mag doesn’t offer that much more real world range over the .22LR but the hornet is awesome out to 200y. It gets a bit loopy after 200y but with a 100y zero it only drops 1-1.5” at 200

I wouldn’t count the .243 as a substitute for the hornet either - .243 is 2000ft/lb and a 100gn bullet whereas the hornet is less than half that, one quarter the powder and 30-50gn bullets. It’s a superb varmint cartridge and frankly if it was legal it would be a superb muntjac/CWD cartridge as well. If it’ll kill a fox it’ll kill a small deer like that dead easy

Not available in Semi auto or black rifle though which seems to be a big part of the appeal for the OP......

 

[Andyquadra]

I have a .22lr, .17hmr and did have a .22mag. Got rid of the .22mag last year as it wasn't getting used. Don't get me wrong, it was a good rifle, but the ammo wasn't easily available and the .17hmr is my go to bunny/hare basher. More bunny that hare before anyone gets their nickers in a twist

 

[LukeM]

A few mates have Guncraft WMR ARs. They have some intermittent issues, but Guncraft is apparently great to work with and will send you any parts you need, give advice, etc etc.

T2 - they have some exciting developments planned for release in the WMR area soon, give Richard a ring to find out a bit more.

There's a cheap used guncraft (or there was a few days ago!) On UKV if you want to go down that route.

My only hesitation with WMR is the ammo cost!

 

[Tim1989]

I've got a ruger precision. 22wmr , good little gun shoots moa with 30g vmax

 

[Accurate 1]

I’ve had wmr’s for nearly 30 years , had hmr and lr at the same time too .
I got rid of the 17 hmr because my wmr shoots the 25 gr ntx very well and tbh I thought they were too similar to have both and with the hmr ammo problem at that time that made it an easier decision.

Accuracy wise I believe the hmr will always have a slight edge on the wmr but a 40gr bullet from the wmr is a far better foxing option

A1

 

[Tazz]

Afternoon,
I have been pondering a change in my gun cabinet by obtaining a 22wmr as a replacement for my 22LR/17hmr or both!

Having not shot an 22wmr I can’t comment on its performance, but am looking at the T2/Guncraft AR15 stylee ones, so I was interested to see what the collective on hear think.

Do I stick or twist? And if I twist which do I ditch? 22?17? Or both?

FYI, my 22 is a modified Lantac Sig Sauer 522 and the 17 is a bog standard CZ452.

Thx

17 HMR, accurate, fast, flat and rabbits in the head out to 140yds 25-140 yds no hold under/over never sell it. Other opinions will follow

 

[TringSaint]

Indeed, the hmr is a super accurate round, but I have had loads of ammo issues over the years and I find it a single use rifle - small animal hunting only.

The WMR is also attractive because one farm I shoot on has Canada geese so a semi auto WMR on a gaggle of geese in a field could be quite a weapon. HMR isn’t great on them due to the very thick feathers - I have hit them and the simply get up and carry on eating, but not with the 243!!

 

[topscots1]

I would dip your toe in, the 22 wmr is a great calibre. Very capable.

However it does not replace either fully. I have used a CZ 512 semi auto for a while. Now sat languishing in my local RFD. I am on the hunt for a barrel for my sako quad in 22 wmr.