243 on fallow bucks

[Mike1979]

Anything past Norfolk is classed as Northern

 

[Nickb]

Anything past Norfolk is classed as Northern

Stop talking rubbish 🗑

Us proper Northerners are nearly in Scotland

 

[Klenchblaize]

Its why you need a 35 Whelen.

K

 

[VSS]

Anything past Norfolk is classed as Northern

The name "Norfolk" is derived from "North Folk", so in fact anything past Suffolk ("South Folk") was at one time classed as Northern.

 

[Tim.243]

I am quite sure you mentioned you come from the same county as "Greta"

 

[Mike1979]

I am quite sure you mentioned you come from the same county as "Greta"

Dont think Greta was born in Cumbria. If she was from the UK with her views...definite Southern heritage lol

 

[Tim.243]

Dont think Greta was born in Cumbria. If she was from the UK with her views...definite Southern heritage lol

Up North...I rest my case

 

[wildfowler.250]

Hilar for me. Never had one run when ive hit it, its just a big off switch. If you miss marginally, the bone fragments from the shoulder/ribs will do the rest for you. If you're still unlucky enough to have missed all those, you're still in the lungs and taking the aorta/carotid out and all that which delivers life juice to the rest of the body

I never quite got where this term came from. I’m absolutely certain this refers to shooting deer through the brachial plexus,(which is the nerve bundle). ‘Hilar’ refers to lung anatomy which while terminal, doesn’t necessarily drop it in the tracks.
Regardless, the end result is the same but it pops up on here all the time.

 

[Mike1979]

Up North...I rest my case

 

[Olaf]

Thanks for replies chaps. 7x57 is at moa , 243 is my go to foxing and deer rifle that shoots very well.

I think I need to do more ammo testing with the 7x57 to get a bit more confidence & tighter groups then use it for the bucks.

If your 7x57 shoots 1 Moa groups why do you need to do more ammunition testing to get tighter groups ? Are you shooting your deer at + 400m distance or something? Tighter groups than that are a complete waste of time and ammunition. Deer don’t have a target practice sheet stuck to them so it’s more important to put your poa in the right place on a deer than print little groups on paper target sheets.
Way more important is correct bullet choice, put in the right place . Killing a deer quickly and cleanly with a rifle comes more from a calm and well thought through shot , rather than having a rifle capable of shooting tiny little pointless groups on paper.
Kindest regards, Olaf

 

[Heym SR20]

Thanks for replies chaps. 7x57 is at moa , 243 is my go to foxing and deer rifle that shoots very well.

I think I need to do more ammo testing with the 7x57 to get a bit more confidence & tighter groups then use it for the bucks.

I also use the 7x57 with a 130gn Fox bullet loaded to factory data as published by Edinburgh Rifles. Accuracy - two rounds touching, one slightly off, but all within an inch. Sighted to shoot 4cm high at 100m, its point and shoot to a bit over 200m. Shot big reds, sika, roe, foxes and crows with it. They don’t complain. Never shot a fallow, nor many deer in Englandshire - I think they must be very very different to Scottish Deer, judging by many SD comments.

7x57 is usually built with a fast twist barrel - 1 in 81/2” twist, but depends on who built it. Some were built for “high velocity” will use a 1 in 10” twist barrel. But most will handle long for calibre bullets very well. The 7x57 is in many respects a thoroughly modern cartridge if loaded with modern powders to reasonable pressures.

 

[VSS]

If your 7x57 shoots 1 Moa groups why do you need to do more ammunition testing to get tighter groups ? Are you shooting your deer at + 400m distance or something? Tighter groups than that are a complete waste of time and ammunition. Deer don’t have a target practice sheet stuck to them so it’s more important to put your poa in the right place on a deer than print little groups on paper target sheets.
Way more important is correct bullet choice, put in the right place . Killing a deer quickly and cleanly with a rifle comes more from a calm and well thought through shot , rather than having a rifle capable of shooting tiny little pointless groups on paper.
Kindest regards, Olaf

Wise words ^^^

 

[Hook'N'Bullet]

Had a Sika pricket do a 60 meter sprint with no heart or lungs with a .308

 

[Heym SR20]

Had a Sika pricket do a 60 meter sprint with no heart or lungs with a .308

I have had a Roe shot at 30 metres with a 7x65R show absolutely no response to a broadside heart and lung shot - 140 gn soft point bullet at 2700 fps. It just looked at me, then just bounded off leisurely down a tramline in the field. I walked around to far side of the field expecting to see a track coming out and to check for any sign of blood. No tracks, no blood.

So went back to shot site and followed the tramline. No sign of any blood, but followed the tramline. After 60m started finding the odd drop of blood, another 100m and there is was dead with a large pool of blood.

Heart and lungs minced. It was dead at the shot, but it had not followed best practice.

 

[VanGogh76]

Surely you could just deliberately shoot it in the spine to drop it on the spot, then say that's the shot you were aiming for?!

 

[CookM]

I’ve seen impala run dead on their feet further than that with a 7x64 so I’m not sure you’re going to find a way to gurantee they drop on the spot with anything short a CNS hit.

 

[d4nny1975]

Was out last evening and shot two bucks with the .243, one dropped on the spot, the other ran 30 yards, although visibly I could see it was a good hit.

These fallow are on prime grass, making 90+kg larder weight, nevertheless the organs must be similar to other fallow.

A run of 30 yards is no big deal normally, but the neighbouring land owner is very much anti shooting and I’m wondering whether I should use the 7x57 on these to ensure a faster drop.

I was tempted but the 243 I have is cloverleafing at 100yards, do I give up some accuracy for the benefit of knockdown power?

Great call mate I agree

 

[paul k]

I’ve shot red stags with a .243, okay I know that each case is different and I’ve shot relatively few red stags but in all cases the stags went no more than 25 yards, one with its heart totally destroyed, and these weighed up to 115 kg in the jacket. Shot placement is key, the .243 is fairly destructive and if placed correctly will bring down any red stag. I would however not use this calibre on boar where failure to “knock down” the animal can be dangerous, and many stalkers insist on a minimum of. .270 or. .308 for sika given their reputation for taking a bullet.