.243 realistic effective max range

mike243

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I was hoping you guys would be able to suggest the realistic max range for heart/lung shots with 100gn soft point bullets

I was out this morning and found a group of reds at 225yds, I had my .243 with me, in the end I decided to pass on taking a shot, I've shot a good few reds with it but mostly at probably not more than 100ish yards, I shot a yearling stag last week at 140yds which is the furthest, so far I all the bullets have exited and the deer have never ran too far, I was unsure today weather 225yds was too far

any advise would be very helpful

Mike
 
Effective maximum range is governed by a few different factors. Some of which:
Bullet weight, bullet construction, velocity.
Environmental and human ability.
I think in this case the latter is the limiting factor.
6mm, 100grn bullet traveling at 2.850fps will expand and kill deer way beyond most people's ability to put it in the kill zone.

You did the right thing by passing the shot up. If your not comfortable and haven't practiced shooting beyond 150m then it's not ethical to attempt to kill deer at that.

My advice is practise out to 300m, know your drops and then you will know yours and the rifles capabilities.
 
the 243 will kill any deer at that range IF bullet placement is correct. remember your 100gr bullet may be zeroed at 100 or 150 or 200 but do you know the drop rate /velocity/wind drift,no disrespect but you say you shot a deer at 140 yards your furthest,wind will have an effect on your bullet path.ie it may move left or right AND be dropping.i would practice on targets out to your predicted range before shooting a live animal so that you are happy that if a 225 yard appears you know where your bullet will hit.it is stalking get as close as you can.
 
I've not shot your small three deer, but with my experience with fallow size up, it's marginal to 150yds. be very selective in your shots. I follow this advice; "You should not use a rifle that will kill an animal when everything goes right; you should use one that will do the job when everything goes wrong." -Bob Hagel I think a 7-08 is perfect for :british: deer. capt david:old:
 
I’ve shot a 6mm steel plate at 278yards with a 100g sako game head put a hole straight through it.
6”-8” over hold on 100 yards zero. If the shot placement is right it would take a deer down 100%
 
I've not shot your small three deer, but with my experience with fallow size up, it's marginal to 150yds. be very selective in your shots. I follow this advice; "You should not use a rifle that will kill an animal when everything goes right; you should use one that will do the job when everything goes wrong." -Bob Hagel I think a 7-08 is perfect for :british: deer. capt david:old:

Marginal to 150 yards?

What does that mean?

That a deer at 150 yards is a marginal shot with a .243? Just want to make sure that nothing has been lost in translation before I comment on that.
 
FWIW, I like to have 1500 ftLb of terminal energy with a Red or Sika Stag, 1200 ftLb with Red and Sika hinds and Fallow and 1000 ftLb with Roe. With my 6mm shooting 100g ProHunters at 3100 fps that limits me to 200m on the big ones, 300m on the middle ones and 400m on Roe. If I am half likely to want to shoot a larger deer at more than 200m I will always take the 6.5mm or 7mm.

Doubt Dodgy will agree!
 
Have to Agree with NigelM I also was punching Hardox gongs with a resounding smack at 1350 yrds good old 280 ack imp also proved its a belter at extended long rang .
124835 and the .243 2" flash bangs 220yrds124836
 
Marginal to 150 yards?

What does that mean?

That a deer at 150 yards is a marginal shot with a .243? Just want to make sure that nothing has been lost in translation before I comment on that.
We have been through this before. I jnow that you are a professional that might kill as many deer in a year, as I have in my lifetime. From what you've said many/most of those were killed with a 243. You've also stated that you mainly take head shots. Given that, it wouldn't surprise me that most of the deer that you have killed, could have been killed with a 223 using the right bullets. I am not arguing that if the bullets put in the correct point, that it will probably kill a deer at incredible ranges. What i'm saying, that Ive said before is that if someone thinks that one should ask the marginal range for him is probably 150yd range. I have never taken a 'Texas heart shot' at an unwounded deer, and never had to on a deer that I have wounded. But I believe that something in the legal for the UK 6.5-7mm-308 offer a better option. capt david:old:
 
@mike243, do please completely ignore any comments about marginal and 150yds, whatever the context.

Others have already said what to do, very sound advice, and that is to practice at various ranges to confirm your drops with your chosen ammunition, and then prove your accuracy with the correct holds. If your change ammunition, you should confirm your drops again. Print out a range card in 10m increments, and go test it at random ranges, deer never stand in nice and neat increments of 100m! Follow this advice, and its amazing how quickly you can learn drops, I get my wife to test me when we drive, she'll pick random ranges off the card and I must remember the hold. Good way to memorise, helps build confidence. I use the card and/or the ballistics app in the field anyway, if you've got time on your side then use it to your maximum advantage.

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I drop test every batch of 100 reloads at 300m, two lots of 5 shots. This fine tunes the ballistics app with the trajectory validation tool. I expect a comfy sub-MOA group at that range on a windless day, or with a very light following wind or headwind, shooting prone.

My .243 has roughly the same MV as Mike's with a 100gr SP. With a 100m zero the Weaver BDC reticle's first tick below the crosshair represents ~200m, second tick ~300m. This is at the max magnification, which is what this scope's SFP reticle (most SFP scopes) is calibrated at. These numbers aren't exact but as near as makes no difference.

With regards to range, I'm not so bothered by energy numbers, more interested in accuracy and ensuring the fragmenting bullet damages the right part of the animal for instant incapacitation or a very fast bleed-out. I know the bullet (Sierra ProHunter) opens up and partially fragments at below 2000fps, and will break bone and traverse the width of the chest cavity, so I am 100% confident that if I put it in the right place, it will kill the animal quickly.

I'm really looking forward to testing the new 90gr ELD-X in the .243 Win, as I expect windage performance to improve quite significantly from what the models say.

Max effective range is somewhat elastic, in that wind will determine confidence in the shot. Shots will be taken in no wind or a light headwind at well over 300m with fast killing outcomes, the proviso being that the point of aim is always well forward in the chest. There's enough written about this critical matter of shot placement not to have to write it all again. Anything 150m or less will likely be shot in the neck assuming the animal is correctly positioned and still.

Shoot the deer with a 6mm bullet behind the shoulder, above the heart in the upper rear lungs, and it will run, probably very far, especially if it penetrates between the ribs.

Crosswinds are tricky and max range is reduced accordingly. If I am after deer, I'll actually work hard to avoid having to shoot across the wind. Remember its very different here as our terrain is mental and winds misbehave big time across gullies, especially up around the head of the gully.

Body weights are very important. If I set out to hunt heavy red stags in the 200kg range, I'll take my .308 for the most part. If I come across one with my .243, and its not a monster but more of a younger animal in the 130-150kg weight range, I'll happily take it if I can guarantee correct point of impact. But 90% of the deer I shoot with my .243 are smaller meat deer, so red hind yearlings and spikers usually, animals in the 80-100kg range. Our reds are quite a lot bigger than UK reds, especially Scottish ones.

So to conclude Mike, the max effective range of the .243 Win & 100gr SP is whatever you are comfortable shooting in the conditions on the day, to a max of around 300m in perfect conditions and assuming that you are well practised at that range and know your drops inside out. And... where to shoot the animal to maximise a fast kill. Which is not a heart shot, because its too easy to be an inch above or behind or even below the heart, with consequent problems. That's what I'm happy with recommending, they fall over readily at 300m with a forward shoulder shot. I've shot lots of deer in the mid-300s with .243 but that's always shooting prone in very high confidence conditions.

On the subject of energy, my view is that whilst more energy is definitely a nice to have, sufficient energy to ensure adequate penetration and correct bullet performance is what is required. I have never been one for demanding my bullets exit the animal and continue their journey into the adjoining county... I far prefer all the action to happen inside the animal and if there is an exit then fine, as long as the bullet has made a big mess on the way through. Correctly positioned lower front lung shots will generate copious blood gushing out of the animals snout, and you won't have any trouble tracking them because they'll be lying very close to where they were shot!
 
thanks guys for the advise, it is most helpful

I should have put it in the original question that I was asking about red deer sized animals,

the ammo is hand loaded with 100gn Game Kings, not been chronographed but are a hottish load, rifle is zeroed at 150yds, I wouldn't have thought twice if it had been a roe or muntjac/chinese sized animal, I make no claims about being a master sniper with a super tac driver accurate rifle, but I would say that between me and the gun on a still day like this morning we could achieve somewhere approaching MOA with a steady rest.

I have a .308 which I didn't have with me but would have been happy at that range to get a shot in the right area with a bullet which would do a clean job, it was the fact that they were largeish stags that I was unsure about with the .243 and a heart/lung shot, I don't head shoot or neck shoot, I've seen the consequences of that going wrong and spent 2 days helping find a snoutless roe buck

so with that extra info what sort of ranges would you guys advise for red stags with 100gn ammo for a chest shot

thanks again Mike
 
thanks guys for the advise, it is most helpful

I should have put it in the original question that I was asking about red deer sized animals,

the ammo is hand loaded with 100gn Game Kings, not been chronographed but are a hottish load, rifle is zeroed at 150yds, I wouldn't have thought twice if it had been a roe or muntjac/chinese sized animal, I make no claims about being a master sniper with a super tac driver accurate rifle, but I would say that between me and the gun on a still day like this morning we could achieve somewhere approaching MOA with a steady rest.

I have a .308 which I didn't have with me but would have been happy at that range to get a shot in the right area with a bullet which would do a clean job, it was the fact that they were largeish stags that I was unsure about with the .243 and a heart/lung shot, I don't head shoot or neck shoot, I've seen the consequences of that going wrong and spent 2 days helping find a snoutless roe buck

so with that extra info what sort of ranges would you guys advise for red stags with 100gn ammo for a chest shot

thanks again Mike

You'll get a lot of different answers, as you will have noticed. Honestly mate, your best option is to work it out yourself by proving your own field accuracy, and then shooting a couple of animals and seeing what happens. In that order. There are too many variables to give a definitive range. Position of the animal, wind, the type of rest, time available to setup the shot. Guys fail at 150m and that casts their opinion in granite for evermore, they blame the cartridge when it was them that put the bullet in the wrong place. Other guys shoot red stags in the neck with .243s at whatever range all their lives... so take your pick from the range of answers that lie in between!

Too much antagonism tends to result from this kind of discussion, much of it driven by blokes like me pushing back on overly conservative people who I reckon might not actually do much hunting at all.
 
We have been through this before. I jnow that you are a professional that might kill as many deer in a year, as I have in my lifetime. From what you've said many/most of those were killed with a 243. You've also stated that you mainly take head shots. Given that, it wouldn't surprise me that most of the deer that you have killed, could have been killed with a 223 using the right bullets. I am not arguing that if the bullets put in the correct point, that it will probably kill a deer at incredible ranges. What i'm saying, that Ive said before is that if someone thinks that one should ask the marginal range for him is probably 150yd range. I have never taken a 'Texas heart shot' at an unwounded deer, and never had to on a deer that I have wounded. But I believe that something in the legal for the UK 6.5-7mm-308 offer a better option. capt david

No I'm not a professional. Yes I have shot a lot of deer with .243, but very very rarely do I head shoot them with that cartridge.

I do not believe I have ever stated that I take mainly headshots. Find the post where I said that and I will gladly eat my iPad. Sorry if I gave that impression, but it is totally incorrect. I do head shoot deer, reasonably frequently, but only with my .223 and only in certain circumstances, short range 'ambush' work, typically sub-150m. Some culls have been exclusively head shooting as per the requirements of the cull organiser. But in the field, on my own or with the wife, I almost always have the .243 or .308, and at typical .243 or .308 ranges of 200-300m+, I shoot for the hilar zone or high shoulder. If the deer is lying down at rest, oblivious of my presence, and the conditions are suitable, anywhere below about 200m on a windless day and I'll probably shoot it in the upper neck, atlas/axis vertebrae. For lighter bodied deer at 400m+ I typically use the Creedmoor these days.

Sorry but "marginal at 150yds" is just way off the mark. If someone is asking the question, to me that is a responsible person looking to clarify and confirm, and the advice given already is clear: go practice and then take an animal at whatever range is appropriate for you on the day, with objective and rational consideration! There is no definitive answer, just a general guide from the numbers in the ballistics chart... frequently quoted limits for hunting bullets of various calibres are 1800fps, or 1000ft-lbs, or whatever variable you use to judge terminal ballistics with. Thresholds vary. Only experience actually truly informs though. If you impose an irrational limit on range, you'll miss out on lots of animals. Lots of animals are lost every year to experienced hunters at sub-100 yards, cos shite happens! Usually because they didn't think, or take their time, or rarely because something genuinely unexpected happened. Use your noggin, be sensible, that's the way. An MOA shooter can cleanly kill a deer a long way away without too much difficulty, its not hard.
 
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