.3006 VS .300wm

vikkz

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Here we have two good choices of calibre,but what would be the best in terms of price and effect in long range mountain hunting.:stag:
 

Jax

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I was literally thinking about this earlier. Ran my 30-06 loads over a chrono today, 2980 fps with 180 Gamekings and that's without pushing it too hard. I'm using 60gr RL22, but have worked up a safe/accurate 62gr load which I haven't chronographed yet. According to the Nosler data for 180 bullets, I'm only 100 fps or so behind a 300 WM for 15 grains less powder! I'm no expert on the 300 WM though, so perhaps not a fair comparison.
 

Southern

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How far are you likely to shoot at any game?
400 yards, after spending weeks hunting and lots of money, take a less than 99% shot?
300 yards, on the rare occasion you cannot stalk 50 or 100 yards closer?

It is not just about the bullet drop, but the energy. If the .30-06 ( or .270 Win, or 7x64) has enough energy for the quarry, the reality is that the difference in drop between all the powerful cartridges is only about an inch or two at 300 yards, less than most people can hold or most rifles can shoot. The sleek 180-gr bullets from a .30-06 are plenty good enough for any deer, sheep or goats out to 400 yards.

There is also the factor of the rifle and weight. To get the goody out of a .300 WM or .30-06, you probably want a 24-inch barrel. And for humping mountains day after day, you probably want a lighter rifle than is pleasant in a .300 Win Mag. My Tikka T3 or Remington 700 BDL SS in .30-06 are light enough to carry easily, very accurate, and no noticeable recoil. My Browning B78 shoots a little faster and has less recoil, but is too nice for rough hunting and not what I want to climb around with on rocks all day, either.

The above comments are for a standard .30-06 at 59,000 PSI. With the right powder and bullet, that will get you 2,800 fps. Slow powders like N160, 7828, and RL-22 will be there and better than 2,850 fps with 58.0 grains (for RL-22). Beyond that is a compressed load, and to get much above 2,900 fps, you will be knocking on 65,000 PSI.
 
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stubear

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I havent fired a .300WM but have heard they are very kicky, whereas the .30-06 (which I have fired, albeit only the once) seems to be near as dammit the same as a .308 recoil wise.

Like Southern said, if you're lugging the rifle around all day you'll want it to be reasonably light and if the .300WM is as kicky as I've heard then that might make firing it unpleasant.

And at the ranges you're likely to be shooting at theres probably not much in it in terms of drop either.

I found this chart on Wikipedia and you can see that out to 400 yards or so theres hardly anything between the three cartridges graphed. It looks like about 1MOA differnce at 400x between .30-06 and .300WM? Its only when you get out to longer ranges that the .300WM comes into its own.

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tackb

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Here we have two good choices of calibre,but what would be the best in terms of price and effect in long range mountain hunting.:stag:
by the nature of being a mountain dwelling animal they are unlikely to be massive ? personally I think that you would be better served by a smaller calibre launching high bc bullets with moderate recoil allowing you to carry a more mountain oriented rifle but not get beaten up by the rifle when your practicing at the range ?

a good hit with the 6.5 143g eld-x or a 162/175 grain 7mm eld-x will win you your bok or chamois all day long !

so for me I'd go 280 rem or 6.5-06 or creedmoor maybe ?
 

Backstraps

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Fun thread, I'll chime in with a few thoughts. 30-06 and 300 WM are both great cartridges. Unless you are planning on really long shots and or really heavy quarry, it's hard to imagine many instances where the WM would be "needed" over the 06. With typical loads, the WM gains about 100 yards ballistically over the 06 (ie, after 100 yards, the WM has about the same energy and velocity that the 06 would have at the muzzle for the same bullet). Bearing that in mind, a number of 06 loads can carry around 2000 ft lbs of energy at 300 yards and over 1400 ft lbs at 450 yards while still moving around 2000 FPS - plenty to handle most "transactions". Sure the WM will be a bit flatter with a bit less wind drift at range, but in most situations I think the limiting factor would be the shooter not the cartridge.
Also, to burn all that powder, the WM is at its best with a 24-26 inch barrel while a 22 inch tube suits the 06 just fine.

Now to stir the pot...in a mountain rifle, especially in rough terrain, there is a lot to be said for a rifle that is a somewhat lean and tidy - a 308 with a 20 inch barrel and its short action is really tidy to handle in dense brush or rough terrain and has plenty of steam to 300+ yards. And then there's the 300 WSM....sorry, getting carried away...I'll stop now :)
 

bewsher500

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Nobody "needs" a 300wm
but everyone should own one once!

it doesn't kick more than any other rifle when it fits and is either matched to sensible load, mod or brake
it punches harder than the 06 and the 270 (the latter is my back up rifle)
its irrelevant what range you plan on shooting, some people hone their skills on a 243 or 260 and can shoot the head off a crow at 600
whoopty do.
longest shot on game I have taken is 300 yds, that's an ethical choice not a ballistic one
have shot kill zone sized targets at 400,575, 600, 750 even at a stretch 900!
thats not the point

i am on day three of a four day stag trip
have the 270 with me but it on the bench as I have the 3 Hunna with me
180 or 200 gr it's all the same.

could I do the same job with the 270 or a 30-06
sure
or a 308, 7x57 etc etc....

confidence inspiring.
Get one
 

stubear

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Nobody "needs" a 300wm
but everyone should own one once!

it doesn't kick more than any other rifle when it fits and is either matched to sensible load, mod or brake
it punches harder than the 06 and the 270 (the latter is my back up rifle)
its irrelevant what range you plan on shooting, some people hone their skills on a 243 or 260 and can shoot the head off a crow at 600
whoopty do.
longest shot on game I have taken is 300 yds, that's an ethical choice not a ballistic one
have shot kill zone sized targets at 400,575, 600, 750 even at a stretch 900!
thats not the point

i am on day three of a four day stag trip
have the 270 with me but it on the bench as I have the 3 Hunna with me
180 or 200 gr it's all the same.

could I do the same job with the 270 or a 30-06
sure
or a 308, 7x57 etc etc....

confidence inspiring.
Get one
Darn it Ed - Now I want one :)

I mean I wanted one before, but now I really do haha!
 

Hales Smut

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I agree with Southern. For mountain hunting weight is also important. My choice would be a lighweight 270 or 30-06. A Tikka T3 lite is probably hard to improve. A 2.9 kg ( bare rifle) 270/ 7x64 / 30-06 is reasonable to shoot. Once he is ready to go you will be close to 3.8 kg. The same weight in a 300 Win Mag is very diffrent.
 

Vipa

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I see your magnum and raise you an ultra magnum
haha... I am reliably informed that the wtby is still king of the 300s... the RUM can be stoked up beyond factory wtbys but then if I could find a good supply of volterol, morphine and deep heat... I could start stoking the wtby up!! :lol:
 

enfieldspares

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Neither. You'd be better off with a 7mm Remington Magnum whizzing out a 160 grain bullet or, possibly, a .264 Winchester Magnum and a 140 grain, or 160 grain, bullet and BOTH with full twenty-six inch barrels else there's no advantage in either.
 

Vipa

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Neither. You'd be better off with a 7mm Remington Magnum whizzing out a 160 grain bullet or, possibly, a .264 Winchester Magnum and a 140 grain, or 160 grain, bullet and BOTH with full twenty-six inch barrels else there's no advantage in either.
I've got 25.75" Even my wife wouldn't miss 1/4" lol
 

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