.455 Bullets

buckalec66

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Last minute order in for 500(!) .455 Webley heads. 260Gn with hollow base. Whole weekend gone!. Went with chrome black powder coating for the “Aged” lead look and sized ro .452. 10 kilos of lead!

Mould is the hollow base Webley from MP Molds in Slovenia. My current favourite.




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I used to get mine from imperial In Birmingham but in reality it was a chap in a shed in Hartlebury. Great bullets always 265 grains and shot very well!
 
Last minute order in for 500(!) .455 Webley heads. 260Gn with hollow base. Whole weekend gone!. Went with chrome black powder coating for the “Aged” lead look and sized ro .452. 10 kilos of lead!

Mould is the hollow base Webley from MP Molds in Slovenia. My current favourite.




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Nice, nice cartridge to shoot.
Long may it last.
 
I used to get mine from imperial In Birmingham but in reality it was a chap in a shed in Hartlebury. Great bullets always 265 grains and shot very well!
Tim,
Do you remember what you were charged or was it too long ago? 5kgs of lead alone and a shed load of time, effort, rejects, hand finishing etc make these my most expensive to produce by far…
 
Went with chrome black powder coating for the “Aged” lead look and sized ro .452. 10 kilos of lead!

Mould is the hollow base Webley from MP Molds in Slovenia. My current favourite.
.452" is a good diameter for these things, I agree. The Webley Mark VI notoriously had the cylinder throats bore tighter than the actual bore of the barrel. I believe that it could fire the .450" Webley cartridge as well as the intended .455" Webley cartridge and yet also fire the .476" cartridge. So sizing to barrel diameter is pointless as the bullet is in any case swaged down as it passes through the cylinder.

When I designed both the .455 Mark II (265 grain) and .455 Naval Target Bullet (220 grain) for RCBS back in the 1990s and then had one hundred of each produced and imported these also were set to cast a bullet that should nominally be swaged to about .452" when sized and lubricated. These Naval Bullets being done from copies of the original drawings that the Forensic Science folk at Huntingdon supplied in return for help about something else .455 related. Yes. .452" is a good choice.

The Mark II was done first and then some years later the Naval Bullet. That was originally going to be actually the .455 Mk IV "Manstopper" but the edges would feather on the mould as it was used. So the domed Naval Bullet was the one that eventually we went with as the edges were less prone to feathering being a shallower radius similar to but not alike to a dome of a satellite dish.
 
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For my Webley .455 revolvers, (back then), l would purchase both brass and bullets from Mountain and Sowden, the 265 grain silvalube bullets were dry waxed lubricated, l never did get round to using the Naval bullet.
 
.452" is a good diameter for these things, I agree. The Webley Mark VI notoriously had the cylinder throats bore tighter than the actual bore of the barrel. I believe that it could fire the .450" Webley cartridge as well as the intended .455" Webley cartridge and yet also fire the .476" cartridge. So sizing to barrel diameter is pointless as the bullet is in any case swaged down as it passes through the cylinder.

When I designed both the .455 Mark II (265 grain) and .455 Naval Target Bullet (220 grain) for RCBS back in the 1990s and then had one hundred of each produced and imported these also were set to cast a bullet that should nominally be swaged to about .452" when sized and lubricated. These Naval Bullets being done from copies of the original drawings that the Forensic Science folk at Huntingdon supplied in return for help about something else .455 related. Yes. .452" is a good choice.

The Mark II was done first and then some years later the Naval Bullet. That was originally going to be actually the .455 Mk IV "Manstopper" but the edges would feather on the mould as it was used. So the domed Naval Bullet was the one that eventually we went with as the edges were less prone to feathering being a shallower radius similar to but not alike to a dome of a satellite dish.
Wow, what a fantastic insight. Thank you for sharing. Thoroughly enjoyed reading that and admire your knowledge and experience.
 
It's why at Bisley everybody that was serious about getting medal scores shot the Smith & Wesson either the Mark II Hand Ejector or the Triplelock (even when the rules changed at the Pistol Anno Domini meeting to permit the Webley Mark VI as previously it wasn't allowed as the "cut off" date initially for "Classic Pistol" came before the Webley Mark VI was manufactured and issued).

The S & W cylinders were the same throat diameter as was the bore of its barrel. So that was no problem. You simply got a mould made for the .45 Colt and cast a bucket load of 255 SWC bullets as the gun didn't need a hollow base bullet to deal with the cylinder v barrel diameter issue that the Webley Mark VI design had inbuilt.

The Colt New Service in .455 was bloomin' awful. Accurate, yes, and with cylinders the same diameter bore as the barrel but the gun would "cant" or "torque" in the hand with each successive round fired.

I mentioned before at Bisley seeing some scruffy old cove pitch up on Gallery Range on the firing point to my left in a tatty tweed jacket with leather patched elbows and leather bound cuff ends with a S & W Triplelock and watching him then shoot six rounds of factory Fiocchi .455" ammunition single handed double action at the "advancing" target.

The first round through the centre of the bullseye. the next round made that single hole a slightly bigger single hole. The third made it slightly bigger again as did the fourth round. The hole staying then the same size as the target "rippled" as the fifth and six rounds passed through it. Leaving all the six rounds well in the bull in but that one single large ragged hole.

That old cove? He could shoot and shoot some too. For that, as I tell people, was the first time I met the late Wilfred Ward. Lovely man he was too. One never met anyone who didn't like Wilfred or who hadn't on enjoying his company not been blessed by his friendliness and kindness.
 
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Tim,
Do you remember what you were charged or was it too long ago? 5kgs of lead alone and a shed load of time, effort, rejects, hand finishing etc make these my most expensive to produce by far…
This was back in the mid 90’s, whatever I paid was cheaper than casting my own!
We must have come to some arrangement as the chap and I spent a couple of nights each week lamping fox and rabbits together for the best part of a year!
One of those really nice chaps and a great time for the freedom we had back then
 
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