6.5 creedmoor grouping

[RCS Deer Management]

Any of those groups would be fine, and Creedmoors account for an awful lot of deer globally - to say they aren’t potent is nonsense. A 130gr bullet travelling at around 2600fps will flatten any U.K. deer at sensible ranges

Regards,
Gixer

It isn’t nonsense, they kill deer very well, but are definitely on the milder end of the deer legal spectrum. I can definitely tell a difference in killing power between my home loads and some of the milder factory ammunition. The gamechanger is a hard bullet, I can assure you that 130gr gamechangers at sub 2650fps is a recipe for a lot of runners if you are shooting behind the shoulder. Sure they will die, but not very convincingly.

 

[hendrix's rifle]

It isn’t nonsense, they kill deer very well, but are definitely on the milder end of the deer legal spectrum. I can definitely tell a difference in killing power between my home loads and some of the milder factory ammunition. The gamechanger is a hard bullet, I can assure you that 130gr gamechangers at sub 2650fps is a recipe for a lot of runners if you are shooting behind the shoulder. Sure they will die, but not very convincingly.

Gamechangers a hard bullet? Depends what you're shooting really doesn't it. Ive had absolutely no issue with roe out beyond 300/400 yards at creedmoor speeds yet still presumably gained full expansion given the massive wound cavity. Thats an impact speed of around 1750fps give or take if my strelok is telling the truth about retained velocity. Id say the 130 is a soft bullet. The 7mm/30 cal on the other hand definitely are not

 

[RCS Deer Management]

Gamechangers a hard bullet? Depends what you're shooting really doesn't it. Ive had absolutely no issue with roe out beyond 300/400 yards at creedmoor speeds yet still presumably gained full expansion given the massive wound cavity. Thats an impact speed of around 1750fps give or take if my strelok is telling the truth about retained velocity. Id say the 130 is a soft bullet. The 7mm/30 cal on the other hand definitely are not

yes, I class the 130gr gamechanger as being on the harder end of the cup and core type bullet scale. Iv seen low levels of expansion when missing bone at 2200fps and less. Cut one in half and compare the jacket thickness to an eld-x

 

[gixer1]

It isn’t nonsense, they kill deer very well, but are definitely on the milder end of the deer legal spectrum. I can definitely tell a difference in killing power between my home loads and some of the milder factory ammunition. The gamechanger is a hard bullet, I can assure you that 130gr gamechangers at sub 2650fps is a recipe for a lot of runners if you are shooting behind the shoulder. Sure they will die, but not very convincingly.

Sorry, but it is nonsense. They aren’t mild when you consider people have been dropping red’s and sika with 243’s and significantly lighter bullets for a long time.

Game changers have not had an issue I am aware of in all the people I know of that have used and still use them.

The comments on here are enough to show they work perfectly well, I have also used the 165’s in a very sedate load in a 30-06 (2500fps) with no ill effects.

Are they harder than game kings or other offerings - possibly, it not that you’d notice unless you push to extreme distances with very low velocities.

Regards,
Gixer

 

[RCS Deer Management]

Sorry, but it is nonsense. They aren’t mild when you consider people have been dropping red’s and sika with 243’s and significantly lighter bullets for a long time.

Game changers have not had an issue I am aware of in all the people I know of that have used and still use them.

The comments on here are enough to show they work perfectly well, I have also used the 165’s in a very sedate load in a 30-06 (2500fps) with no ill effects.

Are they harder than game kings or other offerings - possibly, it not that you’d notice unless you push to extreme distances with very low velocities.

Regards,
Gixer

At moderate ranges I would rather rib shoot a deer with a decent .243 load (a fast 95gr sst load for example) than a mild 6.5 creed load 130 gr doing 2600fps or less. On large game or punching through shoulders it’s different, but for creating fast killing wounds in soft tissue (lungs) I know which I would prefer on our small uk deer.

And yes, the gamechangers have a distinctly thicker jacket than the gameking.

I shoot a lot of deer with my creed, it’s my work gun that I literally use every day of the female season. All im trying to get across after having more experience each season with the chambering than the average stalker will in a lifetime is that within the creedmoors velocity window there is a noticeable difference in killing ability. Mid to fast loads put deer down very quickly, mild loads can be lacklustre unless pinning shoulders or neck shooting. If you are just shooting a few dozen deer a year it probably won’t matter. If you are shooting loads you will notice the difference.

 

[Tikkat1x]

This. ^
And your groups never go smaller by firing more than 3 rounds.
Ken.

my point exactly, its not about getting the group size smaller buy taking less shots, i dare not count the times iv put bullet on bullet with the first 2 shots then had the group open up with the remaining shots, i just think more shots give a better definition of how a loads grouping, each to there own though, when i find a good load ill shoot maybe 3-4 5 shot groups to be sure,
as said though, id be happy with any of them loads,

 

[gixer1]

At moderate ranges I would rather rib shoot a deer with a decent .243 load (a fast 95gr sst load for example) than a mild 6.5 creed load 130 gr doing 2600fps or less. On large game or punching through shoulders it’s different, but for creating fast killing wounds in soft tissue (lungs) I know which I would prefer on our small uk deer.

And yes, the gamechangers have a distinctly thicker jacket than the gameking.

I shoot a lot of deer with my creed, it’s my work gun that I literally use every day of the female season. All im trying to get across after having more experience each season with the chambering than the average stalker will in a lifetime is that within the creedmoors velocity window there is a noticeable difference in killing ability. Mid to fast loads put deer down very quickly, mild loads can be lacklustre unless pinning shoulders or neck shooting. If you are just shooting a few dozen deer a year it probably won’t matter. If you are shooting loads you will notice the difference.

I shoot plenty enough to know the difference, and have done for a number of years….i just simply don’t see the issue, and apparently others don’t either.

 

[Ronin]

All animals react badly to bullets

Shot placement is the killer

Heart lung node, neck, head

An accurate load will always kill if placed in the relevant place for pressure loss or CNS shut down

Marginal bullet placement (lung rather than heart) will govern runners

Bullet performance matters too - if something doesn’t expand or create a wound cavity to disrupt arteries, major organ (heart) or CNS then it won’t die quickly

Killing low hundreds per day on cull jobs tends to give you an insight on what works and what doesn't very quickly

Working in areas with limited ability to get close also focuses efficiency of action of weapon of choice and yourself

I shoot with a team (when we form up) that uses 243 through to 338

All the people involved rarely get any runners

Once you know your ballistics and what your own limitations are and ,,,,,,stay in your lane until skills improved / enhanced don’t push envelopes