6 separate calibres on FAC too much?

[TringSaint]

Thoughts please. On my FAC I currently have one .22LR slot filled, one .223 slot filled and one 6.5CM slot filled. I have space for another .22LR and another .223 rifle. When i put in for these additional rifles on my renewal it was with the reasoning of having a dedicated NV set up on each which was fine. I am now thinking of swapping the .22LR space for a 17HMR and swapping the .223 space for a 22-250. It'd be for the same reasons... to have a dedicated NV set up but swapping the .22LR for a 17HMR would also be to deal with some longer range rabbits without completely destroying them with a bigger calibre. My 6.5CM is a very heavy set up which I use for static long range varminting and is too heavy to carry round woodland stalking. With that in mind I would also like to add a .308 to my ticket and make that a lightweight setup.

Long story short that would mean I have the following on my ticket: 1x22LR, 1x17HMR, 1x223, 1x22-250, 1x6.5 and 1x308.

It seems like a lot to ask for and don't know whether it would raise some sort of concerns having so many different calibres (even though in terms of firearms in total i would be owning, i would only really be adding the 308). If that makes sense....

I've asked my FEO his thoughts and am waiting to hear back.

I have 5: 22LR, 17HMR, 243, 6.5x55 and 308. Justified all of them based on what I shoot.
If I was still doing target shooting then I would easily be able to get more, such as an unscoped service rifle, underlever, etc as they all have a different purpose.

One of the chaps I used to shoot with had c30 firearms (section 1’s) ranging from 12g slug shotguns, through a number of LBP’s and a couple of Dan Westlake’s, to a mix of rifles (scoped and unscoped) across a range of calibres from 22LR to 45/70 and pretty much everything in between, often multiples of the same calibre but different actions (he even had a mars action 7.62x39 and 9mm lever release until they banned them!!)

His FEO is ex militants a keen shooter so sees no issue!

 

[Pedro]

One of the main problems with wanting to change your rifles to better reflect your changing usage is that it takes sooo looong to either get a variation or a one for one authorised in many places in the country.

I bet there's loads of people who have, for example taken up more range orientated shooting as they get older and traipsing around the countryside gets harder but are still using their stalking/vermin control rifles as range tools rather than swapping them for more appropriate rifles because it takes too long and life is, frankly too short. If you make this change, say around the age of 70, do you wait for your next renewal to sort it out? That's a plan that could take over 5 years to realise. Even putting in for variations can take a year at a time of life when a year can be very precious.

Anyway, moan over. As for the OP, just go for what you want and explain your good reason for each one. Chances are you'll be fine, even if it does drag on seemingly forever. What's the worst that can happen?

 

[spanj]

I presume that includes shotguns as well, not just rifles?

No, just fac as far as i recall

 

[ShootingInTheShires]

No, just fac as far as i recall

Oh okay, probably another one of those things that varies depending which area you're in.

 

[Bowland blades]

Thoughts please. On my FAC I currently have one .22LR slot filled, one .223 slot filled and one 6.5CM slot filled. I have space for another .22LR and another .223 rifle. When i put in for these additional rifles on my renewal it was with the reasoning of having a dedicated NV set up on each which was fine. I am now thinking of swapping the .22LR space for a 17HMR and swapping the .223 space for a 22-250. It'd be for the same reasons... to have a dedicated NV set up but swapping the .22LR for a 17HMR would also be to deal with some longer range rabbits without completely destroying them with a bigger calibre. My 6.5CM is a very heavy set up which I use for static long range varminting and is too heavy to carry round woodland stalking. With that in mind I would also like to add a .308 to my ticket and make that a lightweight setup.

Long story short that would mean I have the following on my ticket: 1x22LR, 1x17HMR, 1x223, 1x22-250, 1x6.5 and 1x308.

It seems like a lot to ask for and don't know whether it would raise some sort of concerns having so many different calibres (even though in terms of firearms in total i would be owning, i would only really be adding the 308). If that makes sense....

I've asked my FEO his thoughts and am waiting to hear back.

I regular shoot Rabbits ( for the table ) with my 223 . I also use a 22 Hornet for the same . Shoot them in the head ! the 22-250 can also be used for this but i would use a published load with the 22-250, so its safe . I have shot a lot of bunnies using deer bullets in the 223.
Just saying mind and it could save you a tidy sum . Is the 308 for target shooting in FTR or another limited caliber event ? If not the 6.5 can kick its Butt on the deer and long range targets
If you like buying guns , great without folks buying we would have no RFD's

 

[Donkey Basher]

I’ll give you my feo’s number so you can call them and explain

And I’ll give you mine… talking to him will probably upset you though

Seriously though, it just shows how controlling these people are & how they fail to have a common understanding of what the HO have written. Glad I’m not in your force area.

 

[25 Sharps]

Thoughts please. On my FAC I currently have one .22LR slot filled, one .223 slot filled and one 6.5CM slot filled. I have space for another .22LR and another .223 rifle. When i put in for these additional rifles on my renewal it was with the reasoning of having a dedicated NV set up on each which was fine. I am now thinking of swapping the .22LR space for a 17HMR and swapping the .223 space for a 22-250. It'd be for the same reasons... to have a dedicated NV set up but swapping the .22LR for a 17HMR would also be to deal with some longer range rabbits without completely destroying them with a bigger calibre. My 6.5CM is a very heavy set up which I use for static long range varminting and is too heavy to carry round woodland stalking. With that in mind I would also like to add a .308 to my ticket and make that a lightweight setup.

Long story short that would mean I have the following on my ticket: 1x22LR, 1x17HMR, 1x223, 1x22-250, 1x6.5 and 1x308.

It seems like a lot to ask for and don't know whether it would raise some sort of concerns having so many different calibres (even though in terms of firearms in total i would be owning, i would only really be adding the 308). If that makes sense....

I've asked my FEO his thoughts and am waiting to hear back.

I’ve got 21, I’m a target shooter but all bar 3 are conditioned for field use. If you have genuine good reason you’ll be fine…..

 

[twoseventy]

Thoughts please. On my FAC I currently have one .22LR slot filled, one .223 slot filled and one 6.5CM slot filled. I have space for another .22LR and another .223 rifle. When i put in for these additional rifles on my renewal it was with the reasoning of having a dedicated NV set up on each which was fine. I am now thinking of swapping the .22LR space for a 17HMR and swapping the .223 space for a 22-250. It'd be for the same reasons... to have a dedicated NV set up but swapping the .22LR for a 17HMR would also be to deal with some longer range rabbits without completely destroying them with a bigger calibre. My 6.5CM is a very heavy set up which I use for static long range varminting and is too heavy to carry round woodland stalking. With that in mind I would also like to add a .308 to my ticket and make that a lightweight setup.

Long story short that would mean I have the following on my ticket: 1x22LR, 1x17HMR, 1x223, 1x22-250, 1x6.5 and 1x308.

It seems like a lot to ask for and don't know whether it would raise some sort of concerns having so many different calibres (even though in terms of firearms in total i would be owning, i would only really be adding the 308). If that makes sense....

I've asked my FEO his thoughts and am waiting to hear back.

Book a boar trip and use this as justification for the 308. problem solved.

 

[Jamoy1993]

Thoughts please. On my FAC I currently have one .22LR slot filled, one .223 slot filled and one 6.5CM slot filled. I have space for another .22LR and another .223 rifle. When i put in for these additional rifles on my renewal it was with the reasoning of having a dedicated NV set up on each which was fine. I am now thinking of swapping the .22LR space for a 17HMR and swapping the .223 space for a 22-250. It'd be for the same reasons... to have a dedicated NV set up but swapping the .22LR for a 17HMR would also be to deal with some longer range rabbits without completely destroying them with a bigger calibre. My 6.5CM is a very heavy set up which I use for static long range varminting and is too heavy to carry round woodland stalking. With that in mind I would also like to add a .308 to my ticket and make that a lightweight setup.

Long story short that would mean I have the following on my ticket: 1x22LR, 1x17HMR, 1x223, 1x22-250, 1x6.5 and 1x308.

It seems like a lot to ask for and don't know whether it would raise some sort of concerns having so many different calibres (even though in terms of firearms in total i would be owning, i would only really be adding the 308). If that makes sense....

I've asked my FEO his thoughts and am waiting to hear back.

So long as you justify it you are fine. I got 4 on my First FAC including a Sec 1 Shotgun and 22 LBP. I have just got a variation passed for 3 additional calibers (303, 300 Black, 7.62x54) not much longer than 1 year after my initial grant.

I am however a practical shooter and collector. But If you can justify the different calibers for different scenarios, then they have pretty much got no reason to deny you. As other posters have said here there are probably people with WAY more calibers than that. if you dont ask you dont get!

 

[dropmdead]

With such alarm considerations when reaching 10 firearms, would say 4 rifles and 7 barrels take it over or is it considered 10 complete firearms and not firearm components (barrels and moderators)?

 

[3595wilk]

With such alarm considerations when reaching 10 firearms, would say 4 rifles and 7 barrels take it over or is it considered 10 complete firearms and not firearm components (barrels and moderators)?

No. Parts/Moderators don't count.

H.O. guidance clearly states at 2.21 and 2.24 that moderators are excluded from the total when assessing levels 2 and 3.....verbatim quote.....Sound moderators, spare barrels, spare cylinders and component parts should not be considered as part of the total.

security wise, Level 2 is for storage of between 6 and 10 rifles/shotguns etc.....and level 3 for 11+.

That said doesn't stop Licensing teams cocking up.

Another forum recounted a West Mercia team worker writing to them and stating the holder had exceeded the limit and needed level 3 security considerations because they were factoring in the moderators on ticket into the equation......

 

[McKenzie]

The biggest pain is if you end up with (10?) firearms and the police require you to have a monitored alarm system or other in your house. If you have it, great! If you need it installed, it’s costly.

That’s the one that’s making me not bother fulfil my firearms dreams. On this last renewal they did the count, and because it was short of 10, I was ok’d for just having window locks, etc.

It's also worth noting that you don't need to alarm the whole house, perhaps just one small area of it.

 

[kg283]

As long as you have a good reason for wanting the change there should be no issue and as you have already been granted the allocations there should be no issue

 

[Heym SR20]

223 vs 22-250. An easy one in my mind. 223 shoots fast and flat and cost of ammo is much cheaper than 22-250

22-250 vs 243 - I would err towards the 243 as its deer legal for all deer with the correct bullet, but with a lighter bullet it will do anything that the 22-250 can do.

But 243 vs 6.5cm - again the OP already has a 6.5cm so doubt adding a 22-250 or 243 would do anything that the 6.5 can not do.

I wouldn’t bother with the 22-250. I would simply add a good stalking rifle in 308 / 7-08 / 7x57 or 270 with good 3-9x42 type optics and be done with it.

Re 22lr vs 17 HMR, I would buy some RWS / Eley HV and they will reach out quite a bit further than subsonics. Yes they crack, but no more so than the 17 HMR. You might loose 25 yards on the 17 but in real world, does this matter.