7mm-08 for Deer & Boar?

BunnyDoom

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Hi all, I currently have a .243 but am just in the process of getting my variation through for a long range deer & close range boar calibre (having just joined a syndicate).

I had decided on a .308 over a 30-06, for no other reason than the ammo is easier to get here and I hear the recoil is less. I also have plenty of experience shooting .308 at Bisley but none with 30-06.

In my search for an answer on the .308 vs. 30-06 I noticed a lot of people saying the 7mm-08 was a good option as recoil was the same as a .243 but it was flatter than a 30-06 and as hard hitting as a .308... checking this on ballistics software appeared to be true, though frankly there's not a lot in the ballistics as they're all much-of-a-much as far as I can tell!

The 7mm-08 seems to me to be a good choice for the longer shots on Red's I need it for (please let me know if you don't think so), just wondered if anyone had shot a Boar with one and what the performance was like? I was reccomended as 7mm as a minimum for Boar...?
 

flyingfisherman

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I shoot 7mm08 and have done for a couple of years now. Cant really fault it. Its ballistically better than a .308 and kicks less, cant see it being flatter than a .30-06 though with the same weight bullet. The problems you have if you want a boar gun for france etc is that both .308 and .30-06 are illegal in France.

I use my 7-08 for everything from rabbits to red stags, it does the job admirably. reloading components are easy to get, factory ammo is available and it is a great long range calibre out to 800yds ish depending on bullets etc.
 

BunnyDoom

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I wonder where that came from - never shot a .270 but everyone I know who has say the recoil thing is a myth! Have people in the past perhaps compared it to the .243, or a rimfire?! :p
 

Tom D

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I had the same dilemma and settled on a 7-08, I am sure that it would be fine for boar, however finding bullets heavier than 140gn won't be easy unless you home load in which case you can go up to 160. You will et a much bigger ammo choice with the 308 though. The 7-08 will be fine for me however, another reason I chose the 7-08 was that when trying to acquire new land owners who are fussy about calibers have never heard of a 7-08, and it doesn't sound big. Some people start sucking their teeth when a 308 is mentioned, you can just say that your 7-08 is basically a 243 with a slightly fatter bullet. so is the 308 LOL but they don't need to know that...
 

Muir

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I had the same dilemma and settled on a 7-08, I am sure that it would be fine for boar, however finding bullets heavier than 140gn won't be easy unless you home load in which case you can go up to 160. You will et a much bigger ammo choice with the 308 though. The 7-08 will be fine for me however, another reason I chose the 7-08 was that when trying to acquire new land owners who are fussy about calibers have never heard of a 7-08, and it doesn't sound big. Some people start sucking their teeth when a 308 is mentioned, you can just say that your 7-08 is basically a 243 with a slightly fatter bullet. so is the 308 LOL but they don't need to know that...
I believe that Hornady and others still make 175 grn bullets for the 7mm. I have several boxes of them.~Muir
 

Tikka 260

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Hi

The answer in my own experience, is that the 7-08 kills boar very effectively, the ones that I have shot could not have told the difference between the bullet that struck them and a .308 or a .270 or any other damn thing, they just died, very quickly. I have used Federal factory 150Gn Powershocks, and home loaded 150Gn Partitions, equally effectively.

The only comment I'd make about the .270 recoil myth, is that for me I don't care for the .270 when shooting at the range for zeroing and/or load development, I emphasise that for me the perceived recoil is sharper and therefore more noticeable than the 7-08, and if you want something smoother than the 7-08 then go for a 7x57, which is to all intents and purposes the "Ballistic Twin" of the 7-08, and which will kill anything on the Planet and has done for 130 years.

Please; no incoming from the 270 Brigade, this is simply my own perception and experience.

ATB
 

Pine Marten

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After doing a lot of reading over a long time, I've certainly decided to go for a 7mm-08 when I have my FAC, precisely for the above reasons. I need something I can use in France, and I'll primarily be doing woodland stalking in the UK. As I plan to buy a Steyr-Mannlicher stutzen with a shortish 20" barrel, a .270 would be wasted, a .243 would be underpowered, so 7mm-08 it is. I'm not planning on buying a load of rifles, so I need one that I'm happy with for everything.
 

Tom D

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I believe that Hornady and others still make 175 grn bullets for the 7mm. I have several boxes of them.~Muir
I'm not a re-loader so wouldn't know, I do know that in factory stuff all that is available round me is 120gn and 140gn, and possible 150gn. I may start loading one day, would they (175gn) still be within the COL? or eating into the powder space, I know they're ok in a rem mag, rum or 7x57 if they can go in the 7-08 I'll take your word for it.
 

The deer man

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I'm not a re-loader so wouldn't know, I do know that in factory stuff all that is available round me is 120gn and 140gn, and possible 150gn. I may start loading one day, would they (175gn) still be within the COL? or eating into the powder space, I know they're ok in a rem mag, rum or 7x57 if they can go in the 7-08 I'll take your word for it.
In case your interested in reloading the 7mm-08 this is what I use in mine to very good effect on all deer, Muntjac to Reds. Something I posted a couple of weeks ago.

120g Hornady SP with 43.5gr R15 (2,860 ft/sec - 2,179 ft/lbs) for the small deer

140g Hornady SP with 40gr IMR 3031 (2,781 ft/sec - 2,386 ft/lbs) for Reds, although 120's will do the lot however when they are finished I'll just stick to 140's.

160g Speer GRSLAM with 46gr WIN 760 (2,686 ft/sec - 2,563ft/lbs). They will keep up with pretty much any 308 round if you really need it?!

These loads work for me without any excess pressure signs, but anyone copying them should start low and work up your own load, especially the 160g load which is getting close to the upper limit.

I haven't tried 175g bullets, although Hornady I know still do them, but they do seem to slow up and lose ground against the 160g bullets. Having said that Walter 'Karamojo' Bell shot 1,011 elephants with 175g 7mm bullets (solids or FMJ I think) doing only about 2300 ft/sec. With that in mind Quickload gives 175's from a 7mm-08 doing 2,529 ft/sec 2,485 ft/lbs (COL 2.800 - 46gr WIN 760 - 95.6% fill - 57,039 psi), should do the trick?
 

Lateral

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The only comment I'd make about the .270 recoil myth, is that for me I don't care for the .270 when shooting at the range for zeroing and/or load development, I emphasise that for me the perceived recoil is sharper and therefore more noticeable than the 7-08,

Please; no incoming from the 270 Brigade, this is simply my own perception and experience.

I appreciate your experience, but the Chuck Hawks recoil chart is a very good example of how misleading caliber V recoil can be, and unless people compare rifles of the same weight, firing bullets of the same, or similar weight, any comparison is irrelevant, let alone taking into account moderator weight, and design.


Positively the worst rifle I have ever shot with regards to recoil is the 7mm-08, but then I should mention it was a Remington lightweight Titanium, no mod', otherwise, I could start another myth ;)



Mark.
 

Eyefor

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I love my 7mm-08 and use 100gr HP, 140gr SP and 175gr SP in 7mm-08 - all Sierra

100gr are Sierra #1895

140gr are #1905

and the 175's are #1940

All bullets bought in the US at very reasonable prices (apart from one bargain job lot from Mr N Clark in Rugby) and all run near flat out with Varget with superb grouping and knock-down results.
 

enfieldspares

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After doing a lot of reading over a long time, I've certainly decided to go for a 7mm-08 when I have my FAC, precisely for the above reasons. I need something I can use in France, and I'll primarily be doing woodland stalking in the UK. As I plan to buy a Steyr-Mannlicher stutzen with a shortish 20" barrel, a .270 would be wasted, a .243 would be underpowered, so 7mm-08 it is. I'm not planning on buying a load of rifles, so I need one that I'm happy with for everything.
As someone who works in France here's my 2p worth:

7mm-08 whilst a good cartridge is used IN FRANCE, as it was conceived IN MEXICO, as a legal 308 Winchester substitute.

On continental Europe in the "7mm class" it competes against two superior cartridges 280 Remington and 7x64. And the less popular 7mm Remington Magnum as most French if they consider 7mm RM just cut to the chase and get a 300 Winchester Magnum and be done with it!

Thus, as others say, factory bullet loadings top out at 140 grains. Problem then where laws OR LOCAL WISDOM OR CUSTOM mandate minimum 10 gram (154 grain) for wild boar. You may find some estates unhappy!

No problem if you handload...except it is a real factor you should consider if you don't. In fact it is fatal to 7mm-08 as a boar cartridge IMHO.

So if France is that important, and you want a "7mm" you've only one sensible choice...7x64. Gunshops in France have shelves of the ammunition from not just one maker and in choices of bullet weight and TIG or TUG and other "exotic" formats.

PS: I like many others woodland stalk with 24" barrel rifles and find no handicap. And one BIG benefit...less muzzle flash and blast. Again if you handload you can use a "fast" powder for less flash and blast in 20". But if that factory ammunition uses a slow powder?

And small capacity cases, with 175 grain bullets using fast single base American powders are a recipe for high pressures.

280 Remington? Well popular, yes, but in Remington self-loading rifles where it is a 30-06 substitute. In fact I've never seen a 280 Remington bolt gun in France!

Hope it helps. 7mm-08 is an unwise choice for boar in France compared to 7x64. Even more so, in "spades", in Germany!
 
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Pine Marten

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Thanks for your advice, Enfieldspares. If I was going to shoot boar with any sort of decent frequency, I'd go for a 7x64, but since it's more along the lines of a thing that may happen one day if I'm lucky, I think the 7mm-08 will be fine. 150gr loads are available commercially, but for woodland stalking over here, it will be fine. If I'm lucky one day and my brother in law pulls his finger out, I'll hunt down some appropriate loads to take over. And of course, you never know, I may have started to slip into reloading by then...

As regards the choice a 20" barrel, I have to admit that it's more than half an aesthetic choice rather than driven by a desire for something that handles well in woodland: I just really like stutzens! So my cartridge choice is dictated first by choice of rifle, then intended use, then legal constraints. Probably not sensible, but there you are.
 

Munty

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If you want a calibre for long range deer (presumably big reds in Scotland) and a hard hitter for boar, please consider a .300 win mag and moderator. I use this for most of my UK stalking and Africa plains game.
Good luck. PM me if you need more info.
Regards
 

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