terrier1
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This glossy magazine brings in cash its all about cash. They would not want you to opt out.
A message to BASC...
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long_range_rob
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A group who claim to be all about environmentalism but still send a magazine (admittedly now in a paper envelope) via postman pats little red diesel van (plus lots of big red hgv’s) to peoples doorsteps. What is the carbon cost of that? After 30+ years of membership I’m starting to look elsewhere. Perhaps a rebrand to the British Association for Driven Game Shooting would be a better handle
The deer man
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Totally agree and I'm not a follower but that is what encouraged my own research after it had been highlighted to me.
The deer man
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I believe three of four were members but whether they still are I don't know but I will find out.
BASC used to include legal cover but withdrew it, I presume as a cost saving exercise but they could still offer it as an additional premium as Gunplan offers. The CPSA include it as standard. That said I'd be happy to pay an extra £7 premium on my membership fee to include legal protection.
Certainly the magazine could be done electronically. As pointed out the advertising probably pays for it but it is geared to the monied shooter.
I have always had a good experience with BASC and found them helpful but unless we are able to point out areas of improvement or what we desire how are they to improve?
The issue of police forces now taking what appears to be an overly robust stance to firearms/shotgun cert holders is an issue that should be at least looked at by BASC. I don't necessarily mean enquiring into every case, but enquiring into the issues that are raised. I can understand the police tightening things up, certainly that feller should have been nowhere near getting a certificate back. But to tighten things to such a degree as they seem to be doing now? Don't know about that. But it's hard to judge, only ever hearing one side to a story.
But the real undemocratic issue is that if you have your guns and certificates taken, there is no real way to have that independently reviewed without incurring big solicitors' fees, leaving the poor subject no way to challenge anything. That just isn't natural justice. It's a poor do when the only thing you can do is a video with the Fieldsports Channel.
But the real undemocratic issue is that if you have your guns and certificates taken, there is no real way to have that independently reviewed without incurring big solicitors' fees, leaving the poor subject no way to challenge anything. That just isn't natural justice. It's a poor do when the only thing you can do is a video with the Fieldsports Channel.
And constant selling (nagging) of how wonderful steel shot is, even if you end up with bulged barrels.
The deer man
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Hence a good argument to bring back appropriate insurance cover but also how to react to Police.
As I understand if a licence is revoked you have a right to appeal via the courts hence the need for appropriate legal cover. But, if you are asked to voluntary surrender your guns there is no easy mechanism to get them back, it's almost like accepting a 'Police caution' you are accepting guilt.
jimmy milnes
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Which out of all the organisations give this kind of insurance FOC please ?
Cheers Jimmy
Cheers Jimmy
The deer man
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The CPSA give legal cover but only for shotgun shooting / shotgun related scenarios.
Gunplan are an insurance company and can supply comprehensive insurance package to the shooter of all disciplines, but do nothing for shooting as a sport.
The NGO and the BDS do not appear to offer legal cover with their membership fee.
jimmy milnes
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Hi, thanks for the reply, thats interesting then as surely someone is missing a trick.
Cheers Jimmy
You should contact either the CEO by letter or talk to a member of Council and make your concerns known if you are a member and note it.
If, as suggested this is happening elsewhere and without good reason then its undoubtedly actionable at law and it only takes one valid case.
I have no love for BASC and would doubt they will accept this as a valid concern of members or take it seriously.
I would and do, research the law. They have to give a reason to enter your premises or provide a search warrant. They (recently) have also had the excuse of 'intelligence' which gives them scope they should not have.
If I remember correctly BASC have always said that legal shooters should never need to deny the police access to your home when requested. Perhaps they need an advice note in the event that police turn up with no warrant and no reasonable intelligence excuse for members only of course ?
The key here is the police should not enter your house as mentioned and you should have a right to question the intelligence and its source BEFORE they take any guns or even enter, this seems reasonable and the law is based upon reasonableness.
This is simply justified abuse of process and power and many of us saw it coming when BASC issued the advice of letting the police in - remember the guy who showed them how to reload whilst in his pyjamas and his concern not to offend - I wonder how they convince people to allow them access and this is one more bizarre example. Maybe this isnt the best example but if you listen to Charlies piece the POLICEMAN explains that they are doing this throughout their area if in doubt - confiscate cannot be a justified approach.
Perhaps it doesn't happen in the game shooting community - chocolate teapot comes to mind.
BASC has never been good at anticipation and obviously does not like horses to be in confined spaces but closes the stable door.....................
If, as suggested this is happening elsewhere and without good reason then its undoubtedly actionable at law and it only takes one valid case.
I have no love for BASC and would doubt they will accept this as a valid concern of members or take it seriously.
I would and do, research the law. They have to give a reason to enter your premises or provide a search warrant. They (recently) have also had the excuse of 'intelligence' which gives them scope they should not have.
If I remember correctly BASC have always said that legal shooters should never need to deny the police access to your home when requested. Perhaps they need an advice note in the event that police turn up with no warrant and no reasonable intelligence excuse for members only of course ?
The key here is the police should not enter your house as mentioned and you should have a right to question the intelligence and its source BEFORE they take any guns or even enter, this seems reasonable and the law is based upon reasonableness.
This is simply justified abuse of process and power and many of us saw it coming when BASC issued the advice of letting the police in - remember the guy who showed them how to reload whilst in his pyjamas and his concern not to offend - I wonder how they convince people to allow them access and this is one more bizarre example. Maybe this isnt the best example but if you listen to Charlies piece the POLICEMAN explains that they are doing this throughout their area if in doubt - confiscate cannot be a justified approach.
Perhaps it doesn't happen in the game shooting community - chocolate teapot comes to mind.
BASC has never been good at anticipation and obviously does not like horses to be in confined spaces but closes the stable door.....................
bottletopbill
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Basc will never drop the magazine as they get paid for adverts . Members should vote to keep the magazine or insurance cover .
I vote for insurance cover.
I vote for insurance cover.
See my post 24. I don't think this is a binary choice if the magazine is a source of income !
Further insurance cover would inevitably cost - and many members would I believe pay for it. I would,
BDS offer normal 3rd party cover as an option. I wonder what the uptake is.
Further insurance cover would inevitably cost - and many members would I believe pay for it. I would,
BDS offer normal 3rd party cover as an option. I wonder what the uptake is.
Dave Lakes
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If the magazine makes money then there is no rationale to get rid of it as it raises fund which otherwise would have to come through membership subscriptions.
Not much point for us, if they want to be librarians / booksellers then.
bottletopbill
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Basc as lent money to various groups to buy land why cant they buy land for members to use for shooting instead. In different areas for all member's to use on a booking to give every one equal access.
Bill, you are in a new and different area here ! Historically WAGBI/BASC had a policy against land purchase because they had little money and later on the problems of administration were high and disproportionate. The organisation was pushed by a couple of Essex wildfowlers into creating the Wildlife Habitat Trust in the mid-80s. It raises money by sale of "duck stamps" and other means. There is a website. Essentially (from memory) there are two branches, WHT and WHCT, one of which loans money for land purchase by clubs etc. and the other gives grants for projects at home and abroad. These are (broadly) mostly areas which support migratory waterfowl. You can look it up for yourself. Obviously some but not all of these areas are shot over. It's pretty small scale but some land has been preserved for wild sport. These are as I said mostly small areas but of course membership of the clubs involved is open to all. You can see some of it in that glossy magazine from time to time.
I reckon I have like many others put a four figure sum into this over the years with no personal benefit other than knowing I did my bit for future shooters.
I reckon I have like many others put a four figure sum into this over the years with no personal benefit other than knowing I did my bit for future shooters.
Dave Lakes
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But those profits go into the coffers which pay for everything they do (whether people think they do a good job or not) so the magazine is a net contributor to the cause, which is surely a good thing.
reiver
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were the people involved BASC members or members of any other organization ? and if so did they ask for any help in getting there guns back and what help was offered .
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