A rant about coarse fishing and river woes

JMikeyH

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Probably going to start a bun fight with this one

I've been a keen sea angler all my life despite living as far from the sea as is possible in England. Recently I have been getting into coarse fishing to scratch the itch somewhat and oh my goodness what a ****ing mess it all is.

The obvious major problem is what the hell has happened to our rivers. The utter state of them is a national disgrace and I would welcome criminal prosecutions to those responsible for destroying our water ways, and these asshole anglers that leave all their **** at the river bank when they're done fishing. People have absolutely no respect for the natural environment these days and it boils my p*ss to see empty cans and bottles, discarded equipment and tackle lining the bank.

Then on top of all that we've got the regulations. Now I don't mind regulations, they're a good thing for preserving fish stocks and so on and I think the general coarse and game fishing regulations in this country are good. Open and close seasons to give fish a break, and if you're of the mind to take a pike or perch home to eat (if you find a stretch of river clean enough) then you can if they're of a certain size. I will say this however, the attitude from the general coarse angler and their associations of disdain towards people who would like to fish for something to eat from their local water is utterly repulsive. If you want to catch and release go ahead, some people might want to take that jack pike home. Presumably we all got into deer stalking for a similar reason. And of course you'll need to find a stretch of river that you can take a fish from which is pretty difficult as the angling associations have lapped up the majority of fishing rights for our water ways and then impart their own rules for it which would then make you liable for theft if you were to ignore them. I don't even want to get started on how I feel about someone owning the fish in the river even if they aren't the land owner (yes I feel the same about the archaic system of sporting rights).

Well at least we can get down to the river to get rid of some invasive crayfish and perhaps get a good feed at the end of it. Or perhaps not, because these same fecking angling associations often forbid crayfishing in their membership rules too! The EA won't even give you a trapping permit these days unless you've got permission from a land owner with rights/association with rights to do so. And then of course you'll need to kill them all immediately upon removal so no chance to purge them.

The absolute state of coarse fishing and rivers for the common man who likes to catch fish to feed himself in this country is a joke. Rant over
 
The catching or freshwater fish for food is not allowed in any fishing club I have ever been a member of, and it has been like that all my life.
We no longer have close season on still waters, and remember still waters are stocked at great expense to provide sport for the members, not for you to eat.
If you want to eat freshwater fish buy and stock your own personal fishery

Neil.
 
The catching or freshwater fish for food is not allowed in any fishing club I have ever been a member of, and it has been like that all my life.
We no longer have close season on still waters, and remember still waters are stocked at great expense to provide sport for the members, not for you to eat.
If you want to eat freshwater fish buy and stock your own personal fishery

Neil.
Exactly the attitude that gets my goat. I'm not fishing still waters, personally I find the idea of catching stocked fish as exciting as mowing the lawn
 
Probably going to start a bun fight with this one

I've been a keen sea angler all my life despite living as far from the sea as is possible in England. Recently I have been getting into coarse fishing to scratch the itch somewhat and oh my goodness what a ****ing mess it all is.

The obvious major problem is what the hell has happened to our rivers. The utter state of them is a national disgrace and I would welcome criminal prosecutions to those responsible for destroying our water ways, and these asshole anglers that leave all their **** at the river bank when they're done fishing. People have absolutely no respect for the natural environment these days and it boils my p*ss to see empty cans and bottles, discarded equipment and tackle lining the bank.

Then on top of all that we've got the regulations. Now I don't mind regulations, they're a good thing for preserving fish stocks and so on and I think the general coarse and game fishing regulations in this country are good. Open and close seasons to give fish a break, and if you're of the mind to take a pike or perch home to eat (if you find a stretch of river clean enough) then you can if they're of a certain size. I will say this however, the attitude from the general coarse angler and their associations of disdain towards people who would like to fish for something to eat from their local water is utterly repulsive. If you want to catch and release go ahead, some people might want to take that jack pike home. Presumably we all got into deer stalking for a similar reason. And of course you'll need to find a stretch of river that you can take a fish from which is pretty difficult as the angling associations have lapped up the majority of fishing rights for our water ways and then impart their own rules for it which would then make you liable for theft if you were to ignore them. I don't even want to get started on how I feel about someone owning the fish in the river even if they aren't the land owner (yes I feel the same about the archaic system of sporting rights).

Well at least we can get down to the river to get rid of some invasive crayfish and perhaps get a good feed at the end of it. Or perhaps not, because these same fecking angling associations often forbid crayfishing in their membership rules too! The EA won't even give you a trapping permit these days unless you've got permission from a land owner with rights/association with rights to do so. And then of course you'll need to kill them all immediately upon removal so no chance to purge them.

The absolute state of coarse fishing and rivers for the common man who likes to catch fish to feed himself in this country is a joke. Rant over
I've got no interest in coarse fishing, but it seems to me you talk sense 👍
Why anyone would go fishing for something they're not going to eat has always been a bit of a puzzle to me.
 
Exactly the attitude that gets my goat. I'm not fishing still waters, personally I find the idea of catching stocked fish as exciting as mowing the lawn
Well get used to it, because you won't change anything, all fisheries are stocked by someone, why should you be able to steal the stock intended for everyone to enjoy.
If you want to eat freshwater fish you can buy from supermarkets.
 
Well get used to it, because you won't change anything, all fisheries are stocked by someone, why should you be able to steal the stock intended for everyone to enjoy.
If you want to eat freshwater fish you can buy from supermarkets.
Don't care about the private fisheries where people can go to catch livestock, if the governing body we call the Environment Agency wants to use my rod license fee to pay for rearing and releasing fish into the wild to prop up the population after the rape and pillage of our rivers by the water companies then great, I would like to fish these rivers in accordance with the legislation put through government, and not be dictated to by angling club snobbery

It seems that some of the target species for tablefare aren't even being restocked. Possibly because they know that if Angling club members catch a pike they're subtly encouraged to club it over the head and toss it on the side of the bank to rot, so as to preserve the more important species of course.
 
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The catching or freshwater fish for food is not allowed in any fishing club I have ever been a member of, and it has been like that all my life.
We no longer have close season on still waters, and remember still waters are stocked at great expense to provide sport for the members, not for you to eat.
If you want to eat freshwater fish buy and stock your own personal fishery

Neil.
And if you're nbg at fishing you can always stop off at the supermarket on the way home and pretend to the Mrs that you've caught something
 
The catching or freshwater fish for food is not allowed in any fishing club I have ever been a member of, and it has been like that all my life.
We no longer have close season on still waters, and remember still waters are stocked at great expense to provide sport for the members, not for you to eat.
If you want to eat freshwater fish buy and stock your own personal fishery

Neil.
Still waters are often overstocked at great expense. With consequent issues for disease, water quality and welfare.

Last I heard, trout were freshwater fish too.
 
Your moaning about the state of the rivers, which have been in decline for decades, yet you want to catch and sometimes take a pike or perch home to eat... imagine everyone doing that in the country, fish stocks are struggling on inland waterways because of the Eastern Europeans doing the same thing you want to do... give your head a wobble and go and buy a piece of haddock from Morrisons man.
 
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Well get used to it, because you won't change anything, all fisheries are stocked by someone, why should you be able to steal the stock intended for everyone to enjoy.
If you want to eat freshwater fish you can buy from supermarkets.
How on earth is it stealing? Seems to me one of the biggest cons going is catch and release in stocked fisheries. And the excuse is 'You pay to fish, you don't pay for fish'.

Sorry, but if I'm spending time and money to go fishing there's no way I'm returning fish to the water.

I no longer fish at all. I'd just rather not bother at all these days
 
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Your moaning about the state of the rivers, which have been in decline for decades, yet you want to catch and sometimes take a pike or perch home to eat... imagine everyone doing that in the country, fish stocks are struggling on inland waterways because of the Eastern Europeans doing the same thing you want to do... give your head a wobble and go and buy a piece of haddock from Morrisons man.
Tens if not hundreds of thousands of fish dying every year from pollution largely caused by algae blooms removing oxygen from the water - the primary issue with the decline of rivers.
Each day, you may take one pike up to 65cm from a river, that is the word of the legislation. If people are exceeding that then that is a separate issue. I wonder how many are killed on club waters as "pest control"

Certainly, a fee for being licensed to fish and having a bag limit seems to work rather well in other parts of the world, people legally taking fish from the rivers to eat is NOT the cause of decline. Perhaps you should give your own head a wobble
 
Probably going to start a bun fight with this one

I've been a keen sea angler all my life despite living as far from the sea as is possible in England. Recently I have been getting into coarse fishing to scratch the itch somewhat and oh my goodness what a ****ing mess it all is.

The obvious major problem is what the hell has happened to our rivers. The utter state of them is a national disgrace and I would welcome criminal prosecutions to those responsible for destroying our water ways, and these asshole anglers that leave all their **** at the river bank when they're done fishing. People have absolutely no respect for the natural environment these days and it boils my p*ss to see empty cans and bottles, discarded equipment and tackle lining the bank.

Then on top of all that we've got the regulations. Now I don't mind regulations, they're a good thing for preserving fish stocks and so on and I think the general coarse and game fishing regulations in this country are good. Open and close seasons to give fish a break, and if you're of the mind to take a pike or perch home to eat (if you find a stretch of river clean enough) then you can if they're of a certain size. I will say this however, the attitude from the general coarse angler and their associations of disdain towards people who would like to fish for something to eat from their local water is utterly repulsive. If you want to catch and release go ahead, some people might want to take that jack pike home. Presumably we all got into deer stalking for a similar reason. And of course you'll need to find a stretch of river that you can take a fish from which is pretty difficult as the angling associations have lapped up the majority of fishing rights for our water ways and then impart their own rules for it which would then make you liable for theft if you were to ignore them. I don't even want to get started on how I feel about someone owning the fish in the river even if they aren't the land owner (yes I feel the same about the archaic system of sporting rights).

Well at least we can get down to the river to get rid of some invasive crayfish and perhaps get a good feed at the end of it. Or perhaps not, because these same fecking angling associations often forbid crayfishing in their membership rules too! The EA won't even give you a trapping permit these days unless you've got permission from a land owner with rights/association with rights to do so. And then of course you'll need to kill them all immediately upon removal so no chance to purge them.

The absolute state of coarse fishing and rivers for the common man who likes to catch fish to feed himself in this country is a joke. Rant over
If you want clean and tidy you have to go where the public are not permitted to go!

I’ve just done my first nights fishing on a new carp syndicate and it’s absolutely immaculate and so is the river wensum that runs beside it.
 
Tens if not hundreds of thousands of fish dying every year from pollution largely caused by algae blooms removing oxygen from the water - the primary issue with the decline of rivers.
Each day, you may take one pike up to 65cm from a river, that is the word of the legislation. If people are exceeding that then that is a separate issue. I wonder how many are killed on club waters as "pest control"

Certainly, a fee for being licensed to fish and having a bag limit seems to work rather well in other parts of the world, people legally taking fish from the rivers to eat is NOT the cause of decline. Perhaps you should give your own head a wobble
How many of those other countries are as heavily populated as the UK?
 
How many of those other countries are as heavily populated as the UK?
Not many but I'm quite confident that the legislation we have is well-suited to accommodate the ~900k license holders. Germany is 357,592 km² with 1.7 million fishing license holders, the UK 243,610 km², seems roughly co-linear.
 
Aside from the fish you eat aspect that's why a lot of people, myself included, fish at the much maligned commercial fisheries. Neatly kept places with excellent facilities.

The Byzantine process of actually finding somewhere you can dish on rivers puts me off. You need a treasure map and three secret handshakes to be allowed on a 10m stretch bordered by another two different angling associations.

Not mad keen on fishing in excrement filled waters either.
 
Aside from the fish you eat aspect that's why a lot of people, myself included, fish at the much maligned commercial fisheries. Neatly kept places with excellent facilities.

The Byzantine process of actually finding somewhere you can dish on rivers puts me off. You need a treasure map and three secret handshakes to be allowed on a 10m stretch bordered by another two different angling associations.

Not mad keen on fishing in excrement filled waters either.
This makes for rather bleak viewing

 
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