Almost 300 views and only 7 replies.....what does this mean?

[re'M'ington]

I put a picture of a liver with abscesses on and almost 300 people have viewed it,but only 6 people have made a comment.
Now this must mean that all of those people were either not interested(hard to believe considering what we do) or knew all there was to know about said liver......also hard to believe,so is it a fact that some people are just blindly gralloching Deer without a clue as to what they are looking for,and also frightened to ask or get into a conversation about it worried that other more 'Experienced' (yes I put it in inverted comma's on purpose)well no-one knows everything,and people that are new to the sport need to get involved in these topics of conversation rather than just look in from the outside.
I was a slaughterman for a lot of years and also worked for the MHS so have seen a hell of a lot of maladies in all species abbatoirs,but,I would never profess to knowing everything,and that is why we all need to be a bit more forward with bringing these anomalies to the forum as we have a hell of a lot of experienced stalkers and vets on here and we can all learn a lot if we are a bit more open.

Martin

 

[NorthDorset]

Site unseen, this year given how wet its been I expect to see far more fluke issues.

This doesn't look dis-similar Fluke risk higher this winter – VLA | News | Farmers Guardian

I suspect some of the old hands are out meeting cull targets leaving we recreational Stalkers and wannabes snugly preparing for Christmas.

However, I for one, hadn't seen the thread.

 

[Tartan_Terrier]

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[Pheasant Feeder]

I hadn't seen the thread, but have just had a look. I am still very much a novice and subsequently have very limited knowledge. Had I seen the thread I would have probably not have contributed, on the basis that I don't know what the abnormalities are, and would be happy to learn by reading the opinions of those with more experience. I work on the basis that If I have nothing to say then its better not to say it.

However had I found said liver, I would not have been happy to let the deer enter the food chain, would have taken a photo and sent it to a friend for his opinion. This is something I did in the summer when I found a road kill roebuck, (I carried out the gralloch for the practice) I found abnormalities on the lower intestines and as I wasn't convinced all was well, I sent the photo to a friend for his opinion.

 

[techman]

Sorry Rem. I looked at it and didn't know and in my opinion, what's the point on saying "I don' know".

 

[scrun63]

I looked, noted the comments and moved on. As I saw one post said, and i paraphrase " great info for new stalkers". Personally when Apache speaks I listen - after all he's the vet isn't he. I learn't something - keep posting and i'll learn more, but i might not feel obliged to reply

Scrun

 

[Paul at Fechan]

haven't seen it yet but people would know it's not right although might not contribute a possible cause because it's not something they want to guess at.

 

[Cyres]

I looked at it and have never seen anything like it. I thought the advice to send a picture/sample to the expert was very sensible and was awaiting the outcome. Prehaps site admin could place the picture in a resource section which we could all have access to (Sorry admin if this causes more work) with the answer. if I had shot it then i would have placed some sample in a formalin pot and taken them to work or got it sent off to a vetinary lab.

D

 

[Gazza]

Your being a bit unfair with your comments here Martin. Apache is a qualified vet and when he comes on a thread such as this early and states that "these are definately abscesses" and suggests you look elsewhere for other signs of possible infection it more or less kills the thread unless you come back with further info. To me this is a very good post in that 300 viewers have seen a photograph of liver with confirmed abscesses, a vet then gives instruction on what is required and confirms that the carcass can be used unless there is something else which would suggest otherwise.

 

[andibrains]

Maybe the felt that your original questions had been answered and didn't warrant a reply or further contribution????? Surely its enough that people have viewed the thread and hopefully learn something. What do you want congratulations, a pat on the back, 'well done on that great and interesting thread'??????

Don't really understand what the problem is pages and pages of miss-information and best guesses could be more harmful in the long run

 

[Chris J]

I think that the the reply from Apache certainly looked conclusive and authoritative, but unless we all put our occupations in our signature lines, how are we supposed to know that any response comes from qualified opinion. If a post said, 'As a vet, I would say...' then it's pretty clear.
But then we'd all end up starting posts with 'as a rocket engineer, cab driver, hairdresser..etc' to qualify our views.

You have to admit that we see any number of conflicting responses on forums and there is a challenge at times in knowing what's good from what's guff. That's the nature of the game I'm afraid. But to say that you ought to have taken that as gospel because he's a vet - does rather depend on you knowing the person, doesn't it? Fine if you have been on here for years, but for some of us, it's been 5 mins. But, now I know at least one qualified voice.

Any idea what causes these abscesses? And why they are only on the surface?

 

[mereside]

I didnt comment because i didnt want to wrongly give an answer, I am doing my level two and from my perspective if the animal looked healthy before pulling the trigger i would then do close external examination and then start the gralloch opon finding the liver in that state i would then check everything again but if nothing found i would tag the carcass as ok but noting the condition of the liver . To me it doesnt look like liver fluke or any other parasite so i would start to ask more questions, was it a healthy weight ,what where the condition of the submaxilliary and retropharyngeal (spelling)nodes like?, any other things wrong? . there wasnt much info to go off making it guesswork ,apache did give an answer so i would go off that as said before hes better and more qualified to answer as i really havnt seen many abnormalitys but do take care as to inspect everything carefully,

best practice guide states if lumps, abscesses,cystes,hardened areas and so on are just on the organ only discard that and tag accordingly,atb wayne

 

[neil_r]

I did not answer as I have never seen a liver like that, I did go back a couple of times to see what had been posted so not sure if the that has boosted the "hits" number

 

[BunnyDoom]

Was just interested to read it personally - looked ropey to me and I would have checked elsewhere on the animal for signs of ill-health, and if still in doubt I'd ditch it!... nothing that hadn't been said before though so didn't see the point in replying

 

[timbrayford]

I did not know what the liver problem was so I said nothing.

Count yourself fortunate, there appears to me to be rather too many armchair "experts" on this site who offer an opinion on subjects in which they apparently have little or no knowledge of eg. Titanium mods, Blaser rifles, Ballistic tips etc.etc. atb Tim

 

[Sharpie]

Now this must mean that all of those people were either not interested(hard to believe considering what we do) or knew all there was to know about said liver......also hard to believe,so is it a fact that some people are just blindly gralloching Deer without a clue as to what they are looking for,and also frightened to ask or get into a conversation about it

Much more likely that this is a rare thing to find, so few of us will have ever seen anything like it never mind be confident of a diagnosis, so no see no point in posting possible misinformation.

I suspect the great majority of grallochs reveal nothing particularly unusual, so even those with many deer "under their belt" will not have any great experience in this sort of diagnosis.

The thread has had 460 views and 11 (considered) replies. So at a rough estimate nine man hours of attention. But by your tone it seems you are expecting more

 

[Caberhill]

I put a picture of a liver with abscesses on and almost 300 people have viewed it,but only 6 people have made a comment.
Now this must mean that all of those people were either not interested(hard to believe considering what we do) or knew all there was to know about said liver......also hard to believe,so is it a fact that some people are just blindly gralloching Deer without a clue as to what they are looking for,and also frightened to ask or get into a conversation about it worried that other more 'Experienced' (yes I put it in inverted comma's on purpose)well no-one knows everything,and people that are new to the sport need to get involved in these topics of conversation rather than just look in from the outside.
I was a slaughterman for a lot of years and also worked for the MHS so have seen a hell of a lot of maladies in all species abbatoirs,but,I would never profess to knowing everything,and that is why we all need to be a bit more forward with bringing these anomalies to the forum as we have a hell of a lot of experienced stalkers and vets on here and we can all learn a lot if we are a bit more open.

Martin

Your thinking about things to much! Your 4th reply was from a subject matter expert and as such answered/summed every thing up...

It may only have had a few replies but you liver thread is a good one... 10/10

 

[WestCoastStalker]

There will be a number of reasons that people haven't replied, most of which have already been mentioned, but I'll put my money on it that there's a good few who are wary of replying in fear of ridicule by some of the more vocal members of the site. Some of the things I've seen folk picked up for on here are ridiculous and really doesn't encourage new members to contribute, ie spelling, grammar and some things that are pretty obvious to most but not all. A lot of people now look to this website for info, especially those who are new to stalking, and far too many are being shot down for asking or offering an opinion instead of the point being debated or the individual being pointed in the right direction.

 

[nell]

I read the op, saw the liver and would have agreed that the abcess where probably due to immature worms travelling through the liver, this was also stated by another MI,the question was already answered in my view...

 

[re'M'ington]

Maybe it is me being a bit sensitive,but,my worry is that people might not even post something like this after finding it especially if they have 'Qualifications' and don't want to appear like the qualification has failed to make them infallible.And in answer to a lot of people that asked ....yes I think it would be better to answer with a .."Don't know" if I am honest,and I didn't actually know that Apache is a vet,so sorry Apache.I would also like to state that my thread wasn't/isn't any sort of witch hunt,I took the beast in from a hunter that supplies me fairly regularly and I did all the checks that said to me that it was a localised infection of some kind,but,I also thought it was worthy of putting up as a training tool,and I will do the same again if I find anything.................Happy abcess free hunting to all

Martin