Another Big Cat?

jamross65

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I never get involved in these big cat threads or pay much attention to them until tonight because this has come from a very good friend of mine.

I got a text message an hour ago asking what eats nose, ears and pluck from a kill. I am no expert but suggest that the pluck eaten is a sign of cats in the wild but if the carcass is 24hrs old any number of animals could have had a nibble. He then tells me they have lost two lambs on the estate in the last week and both found displaying same signs and he tells me that last Monday he saw the animal and it was way bigger than a domestic cat with a tail longer than the body. I ask him how close he was to it and he was within 15m, just after 9pm! So, very close for a good look and not too dark. It came out the ditch in front of him and crossed a forest road before heading off into cover. He says at that distance he guessed the size of a big dog.

Now I have known him for many years and he is a very experienced stalker and has a good knowledge of animals and dogs and is adamant this is nothing he has seen before. He is out tonight with the 270 looking for it!!!

It's funny because I have never given the possibility that there are any cats out there a second though until it comes from someone you trust and his experience was so close up.

Maybe he will settle this argument once and for all this evening!!! ;)

I am not mentioning his name or location except he is up North, just in case he is successful :D
 
Awesome will we get an up date if successful??

​maybe a picture??

You know whats funny? I phoned my best mate to tell him this and he also knows the guy who has told me the details and his response was, 'what a load of p*sh!!!' Ha ha...

In fairness he admits to being very sceptical but also accepts our mutual friend is honest and trustworthy and will believe in what he saw. I think if he had been in any doubt he wouldn't even have told me and in fact that has probably why its taken him a few days to mention it!

The bit that's doing it for me is the carcass damage coupled with his sighting all within a few days...
 
Nobody has mentioned the old boy dressed in DPMs with a posh voice, mentioning on breakfast TV a couple of weeks ago, his sighting of a big cat on his estate that would have an adverse effect on the wedding venue he ran, he was openly asking for someone to shoot it,:cuckoo:, maybe its crossed the border in fright, he looked the part of a white hunter, cartridge belt with three shells in it, still he was a camo hunter, not white. 20 odd years ago in Suffolk near Rendlesham Forest where I lived at the time, I saw something that wasn't a fox, a dog, a domestic cat, it walked with purpose with a pronounced shoulder movement, when it saw me move, it bounded down a 15 foot bank in one leap and disappeared, it was mid afternoon and it was only a measured 80 yards away, and 1/2 hour later when I went there with gun and dogs they would not leave me, let alone hunt. No idea what it was, only what it wasn't, what I do know was the smallness of its head and long heavy tail compared to the body, and the heavy shoulder pronounced gait, made me usher my partner into the house and collected a gun and some heavy loads I had at the time. At that time at Bury St Edmunds Police station there was a dedicated officer assigned to the large number of sighting of an animal. That was a LONG time ago when there where many stories of big cats, none could possibly have survived now as a breeding colony anywhere, light and darkness play funny tricks at dusk, sunlight on an animal can also make it look bigger at distances, sure this will be just another explained sighting.:stir: deerwarden.
 
Nobody has mentioned the old boy dressed in DPMs with a posh voice, mentioning on breakfast TV a couple of weeks ago, his sighting of a big cat on his estate that would have an adverse effect on the wedding venue he ran

John, was this Sir Benjamin?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/new...after-big-cat-photographed-on-his-estate.html

Although what he didn't mention was that the publicity would do his 'venue' a power of good :D

Unlike the subsequent police raid :lol:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/new...backfires-when-officers-swoop-on-wedding.html

Alex
 
It's amazing how these animals have blurr technology and further, that their relatives around the world except where they are native have the same ability.
Show me a clear picture, hand held or from a trail camera and maybe, just maybe I'll come around.
We have these creatures here as well, they have evolved blurr instead of fur.
Grant.
 
Here's an example from the weekend.
My wild panther accidently taken on auto focus turned out to be small wallaby.
 
well....
with the rise in popularity of trail cams ...mabye it will prove one way or other...
did the beeb wild life team not find out ( using a battery of trail cams) that the tiger ...dunnoe which type..... was living at way way higher altitudes than previously thought in Nepal Himalayas I think it was ....they caught pics of it on a game trail...
maybe a case of carcass baiting wired down and barrage a site with cams?!
you never know
paul
 
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He is talking about putting a trail cam out this week.

i spoke with him at length this morning. he is a completely laid back character and not even excited at what he saw. he is more worried about the damage to the sheep! he has seen wildcats before and said this was nothing like a wild cat! he had a good idea of its size as it crossed next to a farm gate he was approaching. He mentioned the tail again this morning and how long and thin it was, nothing like a true wild cat. And the fact it curled back on its self for the last few inches.

It doesn't have to be a puma or similar you know.

How many on here have heard of the following? What's to say as in all breeds of animals, some can grow to exceptional size? far bigger than expected? There have been photos of foxes shot about twice the size of a normal one. Why not a cat like this then then? And just for the record, this incident is not a million miles away from where these cats originated from...

http://www.pawsonline.info/kellas_cat.htm
 
well....
with the rise in popularity of trail cams ...mabye it will prove one way or other...
did the beeb wild life team not find out ( using a battery of trail cams) that the tiger ...dunnoe which type..... was living at way way higher altitudes than previously thought in Nepal Himalayas I think it was ....they caught pics of it on a game trail...
maybe a case of carcass baiting wired down and barrage a site with cams?!
you never know
paul


I remember that, I think it might have been in Bhutan but it was definitely at altitudes higher than tigers had previously been recorded. I know the debate on cats will go on unresolved until concrete evidence is presented but I'll just add two things to the mix.

A FOI request to the FC had them confirming that rangers counting deer in the Forest of Dean with an infra red camera had caught what they identified as two big cats on their cameras. The second incident was when I was stalking near Wimbleball and a mate of mine got out of his high seat and reported seeing a fawn coloured animal walking through the bracken, head lower than shoulders that had pronounced shoulder blades. Due to the height of the bracken he didn't get a good look at the head but was quite sure in his own mind that he had seen a puma. When the farmer turned up we mentioned this to him and he said that they saw the cat a couple of times each year and did not seem in the least surprised or incredulous.
 
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