Another manifesto fail.
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More lies , reeves just wants another 30billion of you
Surely league tables and the threat of withholding eligible pay rises from managers is just the kind of tough and radical action that we were promised during the election??
You expected more from a Government that rewards striking Junior doctors by giving them unconditional bumper pay rises, and thinks the answer to the problems of the NHS is simply to throw billions more money at it?
Once again, TTK and his Government show that they haven’t got a clue.
No wonder TTK slunk off to COP29 to join the otherworld leaders 66,778 climate change tourists on a boondoggle in Azerbaijan if it gave him the opportunity to avoid this embarrassment!
You expected more from a Government that rewards striking Junior doctors by giving them unconditional bumper pay rises, and thinks the answer to the problems of the NHS is simply to throw billions more money at it?
Once again, TTK and his Government show that they haven’t got a clue.
No wonder TTK slunk off to COP29 to join the other
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Labour should look to the US President Elect and urgently appoint a Minister of a UK DOGE (Department of Government Efficiency).
One assumes they would cast their net wider than Diane Abbott?
K
One assumes they would cast their net wider than Diane Abbott?
K
Yes, I've been wondering why Labour doesn't take that page from Trump's book.
You would think when Labour has just seen the electorate in the US unexpectedly but enthusiastically endorse the idea of a high growth, small state, low tax, free market, economy, it would make them think "I wonder if the electorate would like the same here in the UK?".
However that would require Labour to both have some awareness and also to be able to reject their own political dogma, neither of which score high in the probability stakes!
I guees we must reserve judgement on the new Minister of State for Health (Wes Streeting) who is tasked with leading on "NHS Operational Performance".
It is, however, going to require more than the introduction of league tables IMHO.
K
It is, however, going to require more than the introduction of league tables IMHO.
K
Well,, in this country we made the opposite choices and decisively elected to have a bigger state with high tax and to solve any probkem by having the state take control and brainlessly throw money and idiocy at it. This isn't Labour's fault. It is the electorate's fault for being so stupid. Even on here, we had a large proportion of people who thought that the state or nationalisation was the answer. WHether for watwr companies, railways, NHSetc Hardly anyone wanted cuts to public services..
Yes, I have/had high hopes for Streeting, seemingly the most capable of all the Cabinet and someone who had invested the time and effort to understand their brief and to formulate a plan before entering into Government.
Sadly he faces the ideologues and paymasters, both in his own Party and in the NHS, who will be unlikely to let him enact his plans for delivering the kind of health service this country requires.
That’s because they think it will all be paid for by “the Gub’n’mnt”, not realising that it is the taxpayers in the private sector who eventually have to foot the bill.
As they say, “you can’t fix stupid”!
Foxyboy43
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Thanks K.
I thought I had actually expunged that utter eejit Diane Abacus from my conscious thoughts. Her and her darling little boy….
Diane Abbott's son, 28, is charged with 11 new offences
James Abbott-Thompson appeared before a judge at Thames Magistrates Court where he was accused of 11 crimes - most of them on NHS property.
“The alleged attacks took place over the last six months at three London hospitals, the Homerton Hospital in Hackney, the Royal Free in Hampstead and Mile End Hospital in Tower Hamlets.
The last assault on a hospital worker is said to have taken place just two days before Christmas.
He also faces one count of exposure on a hospital ward.”.
What a little treasure…
This is made worse by even the Tories having aimed tax rises at the rich. The rich are paying.far too high a proportion of the total tax revenue, and the large majority of people are paying far too little tax to realise the scale of catastrophe they keep voting for.
As an aside, the rich appear to be leaving the country in droves. Some people have reported ALL their HNW clients having emigrated already. A third of mine have emigrated, thus far. By acting like moronic children, we've driven a lot of money away from the economy and proportionately much more tax revenue.
I've also noticed a very sharp decline in the values of assets which Labour are relying on taxing.
Yes, don't forget that Labour and their supporters are very happy that HNW individuals are leaving the country:
Britain’s millionaires are fleeing. Good night and good luck, I say | Nels Abbey
If the UK seems less attractive to rich people who crave sunny tax havens, so be it, says author and broadcaster Nels Abbey
www.theguardian.com
With no knowledge of the Laffer Curve, Labour clearly have a preference for taxing "working people", despite all their protestations to the contrary.
nun_hunter
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Not my writing but I can see where they're coming from.
The biggest factor behind the Democrats’ defeat may have been something they had no control over, says Matthew Parris in The Times: “the curse of incumbency”. Emmanuel Macron in France, Pedro Sánchez in Spain, Donald Tusk in Poland – all are reviled by voters despite overseeing respectable economic growth. Olaf Scholz’s approval ratings are the lowest ever recorded for a German chancellor (see Comment below); Anthony Albanese is hitting similar lows in Australia. Keir Starmer’s popularity has plummeted now he is in power, just as Rishi Sunak’s did “almost from the moment he entered Downing Street”. The message from voters is clear: “Throw the buggers out!”
All these politicians have annoyed voters for different and country-specific reasons: personality defects, scandals, economic woes. But there’s something bigger going on, which is the widening gap between what Western politicians must promise to get elected and what they can actually deliver. The simple truth is that the economic growth spurts that made developed nations so rich are now over. So whereas it used to be possible for our leaders to follow through on their promises of better times, now they are destined to renege and get ejected. Just look at Argentina, which has gone from being the world’s seventh-richest nation in 1908 to the 57th-richest today. The Argentines have gone through around twice the number of governments as the US and the UK over that period, as successive politicians have failed to satisfy the electorate’s sense of “disappointed entitlement”. I’ll never forget watching footage of middle-class protesters in Buenos Aires banging saucepans under the windows of politicians’ houses. Where Argentina leads, the rest of us, I fear, will follow.
The biggest factor behind the Democrats’ defeat may have been something they had no control over, says Matthew Parris in The Times: “the curse of incumbency”. Emmanuel Macron in France, Pedro Sánchez in Spain, Donald Tusk in Poland – all are reviled by voters despite overseeing respectable economic growth. Olaf Scholz’s approval ratings are the lowest ever recorded for a German chancellor (see Comment below); Anthony Albanese is hitting similar lows in Australia. Keir Starmer’s popularity has plummeted now he is in power, just as Rishi Sunak’s did “almost from the moment he entered Downing Street”. The message from voters is clear: “Throw the buggers out!”
All these politicians have annoyed voters for different and country-specific reasons: personality defects, scandals, economic woes. But there’s something bigger going on, which is the widening gap between what Western politicians must promise to get elected and what they can actually deliver. The simple truth is that the economic growth spurts that made developed nations so rich are now over. So whereas it used to be possible for our leaders to follow through on their promises of better times, now they are destined to renege and get ejected. Just look at Argentina, which has gone from being the world’s seventh-richest nation in 1908 to the 57th-richest today. The Argentines have gone through around twice the number of governments as the US and the UK over that period, as successive politicians have failed to satisfy the electorate’s sense of “disappointed entitlement”. I’ll never forget watching footage of middle-class protesters in Buenos Aires banging saucepans under the windows of politicians’ houses. Where Argentina leads, the rest of us, I fear, will follow.
FISH BOY
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Yes, don't forget that Labour and their supporters are very happy that HNW individuals are leaving the country:
Britain’s millionaires are fleeing. Good night and good luck, I say | Nels Abbey
If the UK seems less attractive to rich people who crave sunny tax havens, so be it, says author and broadcaster Nels Abbey
With no knowledge of the Laffer Curve, Labour clearly have a preference for taxing "working people", despite all their protestations to the contrary.
Laffer Curve.
Haven’t heard that in a while. 
Very true, which is also why voters get fed up with the regular parties and their leaders and instead look towards newcomers, being either completely new parties or radical leaders of established parties - AfD, BSW, Brothers of Italy, Reform, Wilders, Le Pen, Milei, Trump, etc.
Career politicians are primarily interested in gaining power so that they can enact their personal brand of politics, which rarely if ever aligns with what the majority actually want. Hence we end up with a Labour Government with a huge majority that was voted in by a tiny minority of the electorate, which followed a Tory Government that ignored the majority that brought it into power and instead got wrapped up in trying to please no-one and so dissolved into its own petty infighting. When none of the established parties offer any hope, the electorate turns to the unknown.
Despite my personal dislike of Farage, unless things change I can easily see Reform forming either the next Government or the next Opposition. Tories, Labour, LibDems, SNP - they are all populated by career politicians who focus more on getting elected and then taking revenge on their opponents and the electorate than they do on securing the future of the country. A pox on the lot of them!
Which is why you also haven't seen decent economic growth for a while either, nor will we ever so long as the current large state paradigm continues.Laffer Curve.
I should have added that Nels Abbey, who penned the article above about being happy to see the exodus of HNW individuals from the UK, is the self same author who accused Kemi Badenoch of "blackface" and said about her that:
Kemi Badenoch built a political brand and career on pandering to racism, specifically: white supremacy. That is not controversial or counter factual, it a fact. It is her appeal.
When Labour Party MP's and their supporters willingly align themselves this kind of claptrap, you really have to wonder at those people who welcomed them into Government as "the adults in the room".
I also now see that the Labour Party has finally admitted to the elections watchdog that numerous of its MP's were harassed and intimidated by pro-Gaza candidates during the recent election:
www.theguardian.com
(in true Guardian fashion this news has dropped from the front page to being buried in the UK section within 4 hours, whereas it doesn't even make it to the BBC news!).
I wonder whether TTK will be as vocal in confronting those who perpetrated this assault on democracy as he was to see the prosecution of people for wrong-think and hurty words on social media after the recent riots? Somehow I doubt it, as he can't afford to alienateworking people his core voters.
Kemi Badenoch built a political brand and career on pandering to racism, specifically: white supremacy. That is not controversial or counter factual, it a fact. It is her appeal.
When Labour Party MP's and their supporters willingly align themselves this kind of claptrap, you really have to wonder at those people who welcomed them into Government as "the adults in the room".
I also now see that the Labour Party has finally admitted to the elections watchdog that numerous of its MP's were harassed and intimidated by pro-Gaza candidates during the recent election:
Labour tells watchdog of police failures over intimidation of MP and supporters
Party documents police failings to intervene in incidents involving opponents of Shabana Mahmood during elections
www.theguardian.com
(in true Guardian fashion this news has dropped from the front page to being buried in the UK section within 4 hours, whereas it doesn't even make it to the BBC news!).
I wonder whether TTK will be as vocal in confronting those who perpetrated this assault on democracy as he was to see the prosecution of people for wrong-think and hurty words on social media after the recent riots? Somehow I doubt it, as he can't afford to alienate
Reform has the policy potential to form the next government. The problem is that Farage is not Prime Minister material. While clearly head and shoulders above the rest of the current class of politicians, he's no statesman and I think he is a major disincentive to good quality potential candidates, activists and voters. He should instead be head of the party and policy machine, act as an eminence grise, and have someone else as leader. Yusuf comes across impressively.
The Lib Dems only exist as a means of recording don't know votes. The SNP is a disgrace, but at least splits the Labour vote. Labour is the party for national annihilation. The Tories have behaved shamefully in abandoning Conservatism, and being captured by this One Nation self-absorbed blob of idiocy. Reform is the receptacle of realistic Tory voters.
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