Another minority wanting to impose their schite on us.

johngryphon

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I just don't know how the people in these groups would survive being washed up as castaways.
They certainly don't fit the "survival of the fittest" line.
A few of my pet pi$$ offs in bold.

Principles
The Australian Greens believe that:

  1. Animals must be recognised as sentient beings that deserve our care and respect.
  2. Animals have intrinsic value, separate from the needs of humans, who have a responsibility to ensure that animals’ rights and welfare are respected.
  3. Humans have a duty of care to minimise physical and psychological suffering of animals resulting from human activity.
  4. Strong animal welfare standards and laws are necessary.
  5. Native animals and their habitats are at particular risk and require stringent protections.
Aims
The Australian Greens want:

  1. A strong, uniform, properly enforced national legislative framework for the protection of the welfare of animals, which:
    1. makes any act of animal cruelty subject to criminal penalties; and
    2. regulates conditions for the captivity, transport and slaughter of animals.
  2. An end to cruel or unnecessary use of animals for teaching and research purposes.
  3. The pursuit of technologies to further avoid the use of animals for teaching and research purposes.
  4. The establishment of an independent national regulatory body to provide national oversight and coordination of animal welfare.
  5. Increased community understanding of the impacts of consumer choices on animal welfare and on the environment.
  6. An end to the export of live animals for consumptive purposes.
  7. The consideration of Australian animal welfare standards when negotiating relevant trade agreements.
  8. An end to inhumane farming practices that are inconsistent with animals’ natural behavioural needs, and a phasing out of intensive farming practices in meat, dairy and egg production.
  9. The development of a comprehensive and enforceable Australian standard for free-range farming practices for all agricultural animals, which meets community expectations of the definition of “free range”.
  10. A ban on the importation of animal products produced by methods which do not accord with Australian animal welfare standards.
  11. A ban on the importation or exportation of animals for zoos, except where it will assist the overall conservation of the species.
  12. Improved global conservation of habitat for endangered species through Australia’s trade, diplomatic and aid relations.
  13. An accurate national labelling system for foods and other products identifying cruelty-free, organic, or free-range products, species-specific fish, and products free from content derived from habitat destruction, such as palm oil.
  14. The abolition of the cruel or inhumane use of animals for sport, recreation or entertainment.
  15. A ban on the use of animals in circuses and theme parks.
  16. The most humane, effective means available to be used in the control of introduced species, including humane population management methods.
  17. Research into and development of more humane methods for the management and control of introduced species.
  18. Community education on the needs of animals and our responsibility to minimise any physical, psychological and emotional suffering of animals caused by human activities, and to maximise their quality of life.
  19. To ensure education programs are in place for responsible pet ownership.
  20. An end to the production and testing of consumer items, including cosmetics and fur, that entail cruel or inhumane use of animals or that threaten species survival.
  21. An end to the importation, sale or marketing of animal-tested cosmetics or cosmetic ingredients.
  22. A ban on whale slaughter and lethal and unnecessary research on whales.
  23. To allow persons or organisations other than the RSPCA the right to fully investigate and prosecute charges relating to animal welfare in appropriate courts and tribunals.
  24. An end to jumps racing.
  25. A ban on greyhound racing.
  26. A ban on recreational shooting of all animals, including Australian native water birds.
  27. The elimination of all cruel practices in relation to the breeding, sale and confinement of animals.
  28. The elimination of intensive breeding of animals for companionship.
  29. The end of selective breeding that results in characteristics detrimental to animal health and wellbeing.
  30. A ban on the reprisal killing of any wild animal.
(Resolved: National Conference May 2018)

 

enfieldspares

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I can actually agree with some of it JG. Certainly some of the aims, #7 and #10 for example, make economic sense.

The last thing I'd think Australian farmers want is their livelihoods impacted by imports of cheap pork or cheap chicken from nations where lower welfare standards (or production protocols - like American chlorine washed chicken or over use of antibiotic medication) allow unfair price undercutting of your domestic product or in the case of over use of antibiotics can then threaten the efficiency of these antibiotics in humans.

Here in the UK we've "free range eggs", "barn eggs", "cage free eggs", "welfare eggs" and God knows what else schemes,...even "happy eggs"! We could do with #9 here to set an easily understood standard. Me? I buy the cheapest in truth.

Deliberate, perhaps, confusing labels are the same in France where there's three sorts of standards for veal to try to bamboozle consumers in buying a more cheaply reared meat but at a premium price.
 

Hereford

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I agree with the majority of it, as ES indicated also.

Good farmers promote, support and enlighten animal welfare legislation - they have nothing to hide and would care for animals even if the legislation didn’t exist.

Then you have the other variety, who either don’t agree with or think that they are above legislation and law regarding animal welfare.

If you’re looking for anyone to blame for any further perceived scrutiny, then you’d do well to start with those so called ‘stewards of the countryside’ :old:
 

PKL

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surprisingly I agree with a lot of it as I have an extremely high sense of respect towards animals...hence I don't shoot driven/reared game anymore...suss...

..now,,when they got to point 26,,I was like "fu*k you" greens...:finger:
 

Hereford

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Point 26 needs more clarity - I would take it to be more driven/reared ‘organised’ game shooting - like PKL this is not my bag, but I wouldn’t have thought that this point would prohibit vermin control, hunting for field-to-fork, wildfowling etc.

Don’t assume all Greens are antis - where I currently reside is a very liberal / eco thinking area but I’ve never had to justify field to fork; in fact, all decent restaurants, pubs, hotels etc have game on their menus.
 

PKL

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Point 26 needs more clarity - I would take it to be more driven/reared ‘organised’ game shooting - like PKL this is not my bag, but I wouldn’t have thought that this point would prohibit vermin control, hunting for field-to-fork, wildfowling etc.

Don’t assume all Greens are antis - where I currently reside is a very liberal / eco thinking area but I’ve never had to justify field to fork; in fact, all decent restaurants, pubs, hotels etc have game on their menus.
for all I care they could ban driven/reared game shooting in the UK and all the better for it too! INCOMING!!!!
 

foxdropper

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for all I care they could ban driven/reared game shooting in the UK and all the better for it too! INCOMING!!!!
Banning anything is the thin edge of a wedge mate .
I’ve seen some practices that want banning but wouldn’t impose a ban because of it.
 

foxdropper

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Some do the same with deer mate .I get where you are coming from though .When I was a keeper I got a bit sickened by the numbers game ,the need to kill way beyond what we could deal with end result .
 

Richiepolecat

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Point 26 needs more clarity - I would take it to be more driven/reared ‘organised’ game shooting - like PKL this is not my bag, but I wouldn’t have thought that this point would prohibit vermin control, hunting for field-to-fork, wildfowling etc.

Don’t assume all Greens are antis - where I currently reside is a very liberal / eco thinking area but I’ve never had to justify field to fork; in fact, all decent restaurants, pubs, hotels etc have game on their menus.
I think you are kidding yourself....they want it all banned.
 

Hornet 6

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How about banning anyone that hasn't actually lived and worked on a farm from introducing legislation that impacts farmers and ranchers.
You have to be joking ?
That would leave the door wide open to cruelty and abuse of animals in order to maximise profit.
If anything they are the group who should have nothing to do with driving legislation.

Neil.
 

Orion

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I think you are kidding yourself....they want it all banned.
Agree with that. All the Greens are the same in their aspirations to end all sport shooting, and it’s a totally blinkered view to think that they would differentiate between any discipline.

Here’s an extract from the U.K. Green Party manifesto:

“AR424 The Green Party is fundamentally opposed to all blood-sports. We oppose the killing of, or infliction of pain or suffering upon, animals in the name of sport or leisure, and will work to end all such practices.

AR425 To amend the Firearms Act to prohibit the use and private ownership of firearms and lethal weapons, such as air rifles, crossbows, etc., except on registered premises.”

We may not agree with another’s chosen sport but it really is a case of united we stand, divided we fall, so sometimes it’s best to at least stay schtum on the subject.
 
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Hereford

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So we present ourselves in two ways (as I see it, as my way is to engage and create understanding.

Both views presented on here, by the way:

  1. All Antis are the enemy (classic lower yourself to their level) - shotgun and firearm holders on the front foot and ready for arguement and confrontation. Great....
  2. Stay quiet and say nothing. Again, the outward perception is weird.
I don’t know about you all but I am tired of a majority of the shooting community being so polar. None of us that are trying to engage are advocating banning anything - for me far from it.
 

gonzo

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Some sensible points, mixed in with some that are barking! And the sensible stuff is obvious enough to not need a policy doc.
(Will they ban the use of animal sounds words, as similies?)
The sensible stuff is only in there to water down the barking stuff, with a view to getting buy in from public.

The general public will be all for the idea of non-intensive farming etc. up to the point at which you tell them how much their food is now going to cost.
 

The fourth Horseman

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for all I care they could ban driven/reared game shooting in the UK and all the better for it too! INCOMING!!!!

You deserve the incoming!!
I take it you are willing to provide housing, transport and benefits to the families of keepers. A lot of people, plus hotel and Lodge staff, shops etc that are involved in the driven shooting game. :p
 

Hereford

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As long as those with money and influence enjoy a driven day or a few days on the hinds, that side of shooting will be safe.

I can’t begin to justify throwing game away though when it’s been over-shot for enjoyment - I don’t know how anyone could justify it? Sorry if it’s not what you want to hear.
 
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