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Sinistral

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Police marksman keeps job after having sex on duty with gun around ankles

Gwent police condemned by IPCC for failing to submit clear report of incident and not referencing presence of loaded firearm

• Vikram Dodd
• theguardian.com, Monday 12 August 2013 15.02 BST

A police marksman who had sex on duty with a woman while his loaded gun was in a holster around his ankles has been allowed to keep his job, it has emerged.

The police watchdog condemned Gwent police's handling of the case, saying it had omitted key details in a report.

PC Shaun Jenkins was originally dismissed from the force over the incident in 2010 but reinstated on appeal.

He used a police armed response vehicle to get a lift to the house where the woman was, and was inside for between 30 to 40 minutes during which time he said he continued to monitor the police radio.

Jenkins is now a neighbourhood beat officer, Gwent police said, having been removed from firearms duties after the incident was reported by the woman's husband.

The Independent Police Complaints Commission said on Monday that the way Gwent police had handled the matter brought the police discipline system into disrepute.

The incident happened in Caerphilly in April 2010. Jenkins was on patrol in an armed response vehicle when he told his colleague, also in the car, he needed to visit a house that he owned, and which he had rented out to the woman and her husband.

It was there the woman, who has not been named, and PC Jenkins had consensual sex, with his gun attached to his trousers, which were down around his ankles.

After the woman's husband found out and complained to police, the Gwent force sent a report to the IPCC that redacted key details, such as the fact PC Jenkins had his weapon on him.

The IPCC report said: "It was further established at this time that the investigating officer's report provided to the complainant and the IPCC had been redacted to remove the reference to a firearm. There was no evidence provided to the IPCC that the report had been redacted to remove this information."

The document recounting the incident, which Jenkins submitted, should have read: "On arrival at the address he describes that himself and (redacted) engaged in sexual activity. He states that he took off his body armour, leaving his T-shirt, and then took down his trousers to his ankles in order to engage in sexual activity.

"He confirmed that his sidearm was still attached to his trousers at the time, in its holster, and that it was loaded. Following intercourse he again asked PC Jones to give (redacted) a lift in the ARV to a location in the (redacted) area.

PC Jenkins confirmed that he was still monitoring his radio during his time in the property."
Jenkins was dismissed in January 2011 but a police appeal panel gave him his job back in April 2012.
IPCC commissioner for Wales Tom Davies criticised the panel: "The finding of the police appeals panel that the gun was never out of PC Jenkins' direct and immediate control because it was in a holster, attached to his trousers, which were attached to him, albeit around his ankles, is surprising.

"I am also bemused by the panel's conclusion that his conduct did not significantly downgrade the protection to the public because there was nothing to suggest he could not have been back in the police vehicle within a minute or two. These findings can only undermine public confidence in the credibility of the police discipline system.

"Any officer having sex on duty is unacceptable behaviour that falls well below what is expected of all police officers. Those who carry firearms are rightly subject to the highest standards of training, procedures and discipline.
"The manner in which this complaint was originally handled by Gwent police is unacceptable and their attempts to 'fast-track' the complaint and deal with it outside the formal regulations are not good enough."

The IPCC said that Supt Paul Griffiths, head of Gwent's professional standards department when the case was originally dealt with, had since been moved from that role.

In a statement Gwent police said: "Gwent police notes and fully accepts the findings of the IPCC report which was critical of the force's handling of a complaint against a serving officer.
"Our complaints handling processes have been reviewed and improved as part of our on-going efforts to ensure we provide the best possible service to the public."



Sorry, but it's also worth asking whether the public safety was endangered here - was the lady concerned in a position to touch his weapon?
 

CharlieT

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Police marksman keeps job after having sex on duty with gun around ankles

Sorry, but it's also worth asking whether the public safety was endangered here - was the lady concerned in a position to touch his weapon?

​She'd have a hard job finding it if it was the size of mine !!
 

Jager SA

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Its comforting to know that our neighbourhoods are so well policed and that there are some who really do get involved in the community...good to our tax dollars being out to good use.

As per usual, law unto themselves, they do as they will because their ar*es will be covered.

Law...ha! What Law! :)
 

Monkey Spanker

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It would have been very easy for him to have had a Negligent Discharge whilst performing such an act - I almost did just reading about it!:norty:
MS
 

teabag_46

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"Still monitoring the radio during his time in the property"

By "property" do they mean the house, or the woman? :D
 

Wingy

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As per usual, law unto themselves, they do as they will because their ar*es will be covered.

Law...ha! What Law! :)[/QUOTE]

Please don't tar all cops with the same brush. I was as shocked as everyone else and think the result of this investigation was a joke as do many thousands of officers across the country.
It's the same old - one does bad and so the whole organisation must be?

Along those lines if one terrorist who happens to be a Muslim kills a few people then - all Muslims are terrorists

Just not the case there are many good, hard working and honest cops out there who totally agree with your views - regarding the individual, his actions and the result of the investigation. Unfortunately they now all suffer from the increased hostility and resentment of the public again.
Wingy
 

bewsher500

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sounds like his weapon was holstered in an appropriate place, don't see the problem.
Gun appears to still be holstered and on his person too!

Chap sounds like he is ready for anything at a moments notice.
just what a ARU should be!
 

paul o'

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Q[Sorry, but it's also worth asking whether the public safety was endangered here - was the lady concerned in a position to touch his weapon? ]


Not unless he told her to keep her head down just to be safe or she was able to give him a reach around at the same time :rofl:
 

Dalua

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Please don't tar all cops with the same brush. I was as shocked as everyone else and think the result of this investigation was a joke as do many thousands of officers across the country.
It's the same old - one does bad and so the whole organisation must be?

I think the complication here is that the force has appeared to play down the incident by one means or another.

So this seems not to be a matter of the whole police force being condemned because of one officer's dubious conduct, but rather that the force has brought its own integrity under scrutiny because the report of the officer's dubious conduct submitted by the force to the statutory regulator seemed in retrospect to have omitted relevant detail.
 

paul o'

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:-| i think it go's something like ! i promise to tell the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth so etc etc ? thay open them selves up for all this **** when thay hide the truth and it comes out to bite them ! why not just tell the truth , as we are requested to do and face the consequences as any law abiding wife shagger would have to do? did't know we had two sets of rules !!! :eek:
 

Wingy

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I think the complication here is that the force has appeared to play down the incident by one means or another.

So this seems not to be a matter of the whole police force being condemned because of one officer's dubious conduct, but rather that the force has brought its own integrity under scrutiny because the report of the officer's dubious conduct submitted by the force to the statutory regulator seemed in retrospect to have omitted relevant detail.

As I said not all cops are bad as you refere to "the force" playing down the incident do you actually mean all 1,453 police officers of Gwent police were involved in some way? And that figure doesn't include the number of support staff or community support officers who also make up "the force"
Wingy
 

Eyefor

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...

Jenkins is now a neighbourhood beat officer...having been reported by the woman's husband.

..Picture the scene.

Husband arrives home from the pit.

Hears noises upstairs so bangs on the bedroom door "You alright in there dear"?
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"Yes" replies the wife "The police are coming"

:coat:
 

Jager SA

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I think the complication here is that the force has appeared to play down the incident by one means or another.

So this seems not to be a matter of the whole police force being condemned because of one officer's dubious conduct, but rather that the force has brought its own integrity under scrutiny because the report of the officer's dubious conduct submitted by the force to the statutory regulator seemed in retrospect to have omitted relevant detail.

​Yes indeed, so I will stay with my previous post, no offence meant to any individual but this isn't the first time this kind of thing has taken place and with far reaching consequences.
 

Jager SA

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paul o'; didn't know we had two sets of rules !!! :shock:[/QUOTE said:
Theres always been two sets of rules...it's been demonstrated time after time in so many situations.

It's not a pop any individual but when someone asks do you trust the Police...No, this is based on experience.
 
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