bergara b14 or mauser m18
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Give the choice of two, I would go Bergara.
Had to look at several Mausers and test fire for accuracy from chaps who bought them were disatisfied with grouping
I will say that I have been asked to rebarrel a couple of rifles with customer supplied Bergara barrels which were chocolate hardness and sent to the scrap bin.
Had to look at several Mausers and test fire for accuracy from chaps who bought them were disatisfied with grouping
I will say that I have been asked to rebarrel a couple of rifles with customer supplied Bergara barrels which were chocolate hardness and sent to the scrap bin.
Quarrybank
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I have a 243 M18 and to me is a very good working gun. I have seen other posts about accuracy but mine seems fine. Here’s a recent group at 100 mtrs, 100gn Federal. With slight wind from right that seemed to pick up after first shot. Just about 1/2 moa.
very briefly shared a Bergara 22-250, couldn't get it to group with factory or homeloads and moderator (the issue was obviously more than likely the muzzle threading) so was sent back. Seemed well built, comfortable and reasonable value for money, and the issue was likely a one off as Ive seen plenty of good reports about their accuracy. Ive used a mauser M18, and whilst a bit agricultural and basic, was accurate and solid.
personally Id prob go for the mauser
personally Id prob go for the mauser
sold and shot both
both more accurate than most shooters
personal choice
Mauser stock is solid
Bergara "feels" nicer...
both more accurate than most shooters
personal choice
Mauser stock is solid
Bergara "feels" nicer...
I’ve shot both and got the Mauser in 243, love the trigger, magazine and the price. The begara hmr I shot had a great trigger and nice bolt throw and a great stock but the Mauser is a better hunter and sporter orientated. If you were walking around with it and shooting off sticks/ off hand then I think the Mauser is more instinctive and lighter . If you are taking rest shots and not walking far then possibly the begara
Just remember it’s a throw away once the barrel is shot out as I don’t believe the tenon is threaded on the 18 or 12 (though stand to be corrected )
palmer_mike
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Although you could probably buy a new one for less than the price of a rebarrel
Very true
But that doesn’t sit well with me, and in the days of recycling and preventing waste is this really the way to go ,,
But that doesn’t sit well with me, and in the days of recycling and preventing waste is this really the way to go ,,
Heym SR20
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Both the Bergara and the M18 have been designed and targeted as a cheap affordable hunting rifle. Tim Pilbeam did a review of the M18 alongside the original VW Beetle. The Beetle was a cheap affordable car for the masses. It was simple, no thoughts on luxury, not very powerful but got Germany and much of the world moving again. But it was never a Mercedes, Jaguar etc.
The Bergara and M18 are priced for somebody who wants or needs a rifle to shoot Deer or Vermin, doesn’t have or want to spend much money. It will spend most of its life in the Pickup, on a Quad bike, in a boat, on a snowmobile or in the cupboard and taken for once a year deer or boar hunt. Most will probably shoot a box of cartridges a year. Most who buy them wont be rifle nuts, but people who simply need or want a gun that goes bang and hit a deer sized target at 100m. And both will do this very well.
In the US you can buy them new for $400. So they are probably built and sold wholesale for not much more than €200 a unit.
In previous generations our fathers and grandfathers would have used military surplus mausers, springfields and enfields in same way.
Or to put it in terms of car, the M18 or Bergara are the Skoda, Seat or the very basic Golf. Good, solid and will do the job. But they are not a GTI or an Audi - but they don’t cost that sort of money.
The Bergara and M18 are priced for somebody who wants or needs a rifle to shoot Deer or Vermin, doesn’t have or want to spend much money. It will spend most of its life in the Pickup, on a Quad bike, in a boat, on a snowmobile or in the cupboard and taken for once a year deer or boar hunt. Most will probably shoot a box of cartridges a year. Most who buy them wont be rifle nuts, but people who simply need or want a gun that goes bang and hit a deer sized target at 100m. And both will do this very well.
In the US you can buy them new for $400. So they are probably built and sold wholesale for not much more than €200 a unit.
In previous generations our fathers and grandfathers would have used military surplus mausers, springfields and enfields in same way.
Or to put it in terms of car, the M18 or Bergara are the Skoda, Seat or the very basic Golf. Good, solid and will do the job. But they are not a GTI or an Audi - but they don’t cost that sort of money.
Mantve
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thanks for a great reply. it will be more like back up rifle as most of the time will be using my 308 for deer or 17hmr for pest control. also dont want to pay big money for a rifle which will be spending time in a gun safe
so i think i made decision and will go for a mauser m18 .3.14ReapeatingRifle
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Hi Ronin, I'm looking at purchasing my first hunting rifle this year, I'm no stranger to rifles and handguns but this will be my first hunting application. In general, bergara rifles and barrels come highly recommended almost every single place I've read, but I stumbled on your comment about "chocolate hardness" and was wondering if you could elaborate and how often you came across this? I'd have to think it was a fluke when bergara barrels are regarded as some of the finest in the world, but I figured I'd ask what experiences you had come across. How long ago was this and have you seen any improvement recently. Peace of mind is priceless. Thanks in advance
John Mac 1956
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John Mac 1956
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Perso al chice both nice guns I have w bergaras in 22 very accurate,
Remember that the Bergara is a Remington 700 clone so the aftermarket parts choice is huge (stocks, triggers, chasiss etc - much more so than for the Mauser.
Cheers
Bruce
Cheers
Bruce
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