Freeforester
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Overlooking the simple fact that there won't be another referendum?
Send it to Teresa May?
Hmm.. I'm sure there's some valid points in there. But I can't get past my opinion that RT is a tool of the Kremlin, who's underlying aim is to foment dissatisfaction and division in our society in order to weaken us. Find a crack, and do their best to widen it - that seems to be their MO.
Overlooking the simple fact that there won't be another referendum?
of course it does if you are paranoid and believe you will lose because of "reasons"Would you put serious money on that because I wouldn't
People keep saying a second referendum is somehow undemocratic?? How is a vote by the people undemocratic?
Do people not have the democratic right to change their minds? If so why do we hold general elections every 4.5 years?
Is a snap election undemocratic?
The "undemocratic" argument makes no sense at all
By you maybe but I certainly haven't changed my mind. I suppose we could have the best of 5 referendums just like penalty shoot outs?Its widly accepted a second referendum would have a remain result,
Would you put serious money on that because I wouldn't - er, quite; how much did it cost you last time?
People keep saying a second referendum is somehow undemocratic?? How is a vote by the people undemocratic?
- as you keep saying, not I. Better to put your energies into looking to the future, which seems to lie beyond the EU in its current form, or would you put serious money on that continuing unchanged?
...As to RT's 'influence', if you are looking to start shooting the messengers bringing disharmony and misinformation, then Portland Place might also be a target rich environment?
And RT have accomplished exactly what they wanted. They are the Loki of the news broadcasters. They sow half truths and spread division. Be careful not to get suckered into their trap.
It's difficult to see how RT could have manipulated this evidence, other than to get it posted on YouTube for all to see. I've not heard a single thing about this in the newspapers or on any TV channel, so you have to at least give RT the credit for getting this out into the public domain.
If this evidence is false and I very much doubt that it is, then let the government refute the claims and show us the evidence to the contrary.
The government indeed "appears" to be hopelessly weak and incompetent in its negotiations with the EU, unless of course, the powers to be, ARE planning to give us Brexit in name only. This now very much appears to be the case.
What happened to May's "Brexit means Brexit" and "No deal is better than a bad deal".... now she is trying to hold her own party to ransom by threatening No deal as being worse than her capitulation of a deal, with the no 10 machine doing its best to churn out supporting scare story tactics and treasury reports in support. Also we are now being told we might get no Brexit at all!
As Steve Baker says, you hardly ever hear ministers rebutting scare stores from the media and the Remain side and so it is left for people like Jacob Rees Mogg and Nigel Farage to do it. Anyone with this train of thought is then immediately labelled as a HARD brexiteer by the majority of the media, press and the Remain side as if they are a group of fanatics for wanting to honour the result of the referendum!
Even leaving Boris Johnson aside, you have to ask yourselves why people such as Steve Baker, David Davis and latterly Dominic Rabb have all resigned over the government's stance to the Brexit negotiations.... I think Steve Baker's evidence, as given to the MP's committee in the above video, answers that question.
...The trade deal that was offered by the EU is not one that the Tory party or parliament was ready to sign up for.
He is right saying they were / are on the table but they are dismissed by UK Govt as not being a full or fair offer. So it has been discussed, dismissed and not pursued.
By you maybe but I certainly haven't changed my mind. I suppose we could have the best of 5 referendums just like penalty shoot outs?