British Quality Wild Venison Standard Webinar, Weds 17th Jan, 19.00 hours

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Having had occasion to reject Scottish Quality Wild Venison Standard offerings in the past, I wish you good luck in ensuring the weakest links are stronger than in the ‘Scottish‘ chain. Nobody I know wants faecal matter in their casserole!
 
Bavarianbrit said:
Why is it all labelled as venison and not sold as either munty, roe, fallow, or red / sika?
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I agree and have spoken about this. It is quite clear that red deer taste way different than muntjac. So why lump them the same when you dont know what you are buying. Maybe BQV can answer that question if they are the top of the trade.
 
David Barker said:
I agree and have spoken about this. It is quite clear that red deer taste way different than muntjac. So why lump them the same when you dont know what you are buying. Maybe BQV can answer that question if they are the top of the trade.
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IIRC the certification is all about the people, their qualifications, the larder and record keeping and nothing to do with the actual venison.
 
VSS said:
It seems to be all about accreditation for the big supply chains (FC > AGHE > supermarket).
The smaller producer-processors are completely left out in the cold, ineligible to participate :(
It'll create a "two tier market", and should be strongly opposed by most of us.
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We could see this happening years ago the chaps on the lowland deer panel asked the question. At that time there were only Red deer areas and chiller that met the standard. Not sure if its change put i would guess its still strongly leads to the reds from FLS and a few chosen estates up here.
 
VSS said:
It seems to be all about accreditation for the big supply chains (FC > AGHE > supermarket).
The smaller producer-processors are completely left out in the cold, ineligible to participate :(
It'll create a "two tier market", and should be strongly opposed by most of us.
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Or could you argue that it will help the big boys get wild venison into supermarkets (where over 85% of meat is bought in the UK) thus helping create a market that currently doesn't exist, remember in Scotland many of the smaller dealers sell to the big supply chains
 
NickJ said:
Or could you argue that it will help the big boys get wild venison into supermarkets thus helping create a market that currently doesn't exist
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Nope. I couldn't argue that.
There's already venison in the supermarkets, supplied by the big boys. They'll carry on as before, and the smaller players will be forced to accept lower prices, or denied certain routes to market, because they're not able to join the accreditation scheme. Because, according to the proposal, only venison that's passed through an AGHE (ie, game dealer) will be eligible for accreditation.
 
That venison in the supermarkets is predominately farmed though right?

I'm trying to understand their thinking behind the scheme, not defending it, am assuming they feel if they can create demand from supermarkets for wild then the likes of Holme Park in England (the supermarkets will always try and buy from as few sources as possible) could buy from the smaller dealers as happens with Highland Game in Scotland

I agree that the scheme has ignored the needs of the smaller outfits (and thus the majority of the market.)
 
NickJ said:
That venison in the supermarkets is predominately farmed though right?

I'm trying to understand their thinking behind the scheme, not defending it, am assuming they feel if they can create demand from supermarkets for wild then the likes of Holme Park in England (the supermarkets will always try and buy from as few sources as possible) could buy from the smaller dealers as happens with Highland Game in Scotland

I agree that the scheme has ignored the needs of the smaller outfits (and thus the majority of the market.)
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Highland Game is a nationwide concern, not restricted to Scotland. They're buying large quantities of wild carcasses from Forestry England for supply into supermarkets. Waitrose primarily, I believe? That chain of supply will be eligible for accreditation, despite the obvious opportunities for traceability and quality lapses that are inherent with the supply of large quantities from diverse sources, and extended storage, handling and transport, whereas the local man supplying local consumers with small quantities of fresh local produce will be denied accreditation. It's bonkers.
 
VSS said:
Highland Game is a nationwide concern, not restricted to Scotland. They're buying large quantities of wild carcasses from Forestry England for supply into supermarkets. Waitrose primarily, I believe? That chain of supply will be eligible for accreditation, despite the obvious opportunities for traceability and quality lapses that are inherent with the supply of large quantities from diverse sources, and extended storage, handling and transport, whereas the local man supplying local consumers with small quantities of fresh local produce will be denied accreditation. It's bonkers.
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Didn't know Waitrose were stocking wild sorry, we don't have Waitroses up here

Fully agree they need to look at an extension to this or other scheme for smaller suppliers, something we can all lobby for, starting at the webinar
 
NickJ said:
Didn't know Waitrose were stocking wild sorry, we don't have Waitroses up here

Fully agree they need to look at an extension to this or other scheme for smaller suppliers, something we can all lobby for, starting at the webinar
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All they need to do is remove the need for carcasses to pass through an AGHE.
Although in actual fact, the whole scheme is pointless as we already have compliance and inspections via our local EHO as a result of being registered as food businesses. So why add a whole nother layer of beaurocracy for no gain? And why add an additional cost, when our EHO inspections are free? The cost of accreditation itself will be enough to make it unattainable for many small producers, even if they were eligible to sign up.
The idea should be scrapped forthwith, and existing regulations should be properly applied and adhered to by all.
 
VSS said:
All they need to do is remove the need for carcasses to pass through an AGHE.
Although in actual fact, the whole scheme is pointless as we already have compliance and inspections via our local EHO as a result of being registered as food businesses. So why add a whole nother layer of beaurocracy for no gain? And why add an additional cost, when our EHO inspections are free? The cost of accreditation itself will be enough to make it unattainable for many small producers, even if they were eligible to sign up.
The idea should be scrapped forthwith, and existing regulations should be properly applied and adhered to by all.
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Hopefully you can join the webinar and put those questions to them
 
VSS said:
Highland Game is a nationwide concern, not restricted to Scotland. They're buying large quantities of wild carcasses from Forestry England for supply into supermarkets. Waitrose primarily, I believe? That chain of supply will be eligible for accreditation, despite the obvious opportunities for traceability and quality lapses that are inherent with the supply of large quantities from diverse sources, and extended storage, handling and transport, whereas the local man supplying local consumers with small quantities of fresh local produce will be denied accreditation. It's bonkers.
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Waitrose isn't wild.
 
VSS said:
The idea should be scrapped forthwith, and existing regulations should be properly applied and adhered to by all.
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Agreed, correctly administer what we have in place already, no need for this scheme at all.

At the end of the day the supermarkets will buy from the cheapest supplier, probably New Zealand.
 
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