Building a Lodge

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Xim

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:D

well i have just secured some more land and discussed with the landowner about constructing my own hunting lodge :p

has anyone attempted anything like this or come across this type of shoot'n shack.

i have some extremely vivid ideas in mind.

1st of all i would like this to accomadate at least 2 ppl and have some kind of woodburner inside cheap as possible. and big enough to sleep the night or 10.

i would appreciate ideas on construction , location, windows on all 4 sides ?

its going to be completely self sufficient but with no gas or electricity.

ideas?
 

widows son

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Buy a timber framed garage local to your area get it delivered as close as possible, insulate the walls and roof area with spray insulation buy OSB sheet boards line the walls after insulating them ,buy a wood burning stove sold by Machine Mart ,make a couple of bunks by two mattresses form Macro by some nylon sheeting make covers for them to keep the dampness off them easy stuff .
That way if you loose the ground you can set fire to it only leaving a black scorch mark on the ground or easily remove it to another site not like a caravan once the wheel bearing's and chassis go your knackered
 

Nix Niveus

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Xim

We are in the process of doing somthing similar, you will run into all sorts of planning regulations pretty quickly because of your intended use.

Building it is the easy part!

You'll need planning permission for what you are after, so that means proper plans, building regs, permission for intended use and the costs associated, or at least the landowner will. There are however a couple of ways around it, although it's a bit of a fine line and planners will twist a bit about it.

Whatever happens you'll need to OK it with the planners. Trust me, you cant just build something and think 'to hell with them', because they can just say to hell with you' and tear it down and charge you for the costs of doing so and possibly drag you to court as well.

PM me if you want the finer details.
 

widows son

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I don't know where you are in the country but you dont require planning for a shed . up to 24 metre Sq ,30mters if it is more than 5 meters away from a dwelling .
Planning is only required for a permanent structure, a shed is not classed as permanent, it has no electricity form a direct supply or water from a direct supply, then you will require planning and feudal consent ,Like most farm sheds built from timber and steel do not require any planning ,when built with brick and block construction they must have planning and a engineers report .
If you offer information to your local planning office, they will take it on board as its revenue for them ,you will then require all sorts , and a shed load of cash and council tax .

you don't tell them your sleeping in it either its a store .

If you ever fish on the main salmon rivers in the UK ,they have bothies for fishermen to have there tea and shelter from the weather, no planning required these bothies, they have all the mod cons in them .

This is all your doing for you stalking at the end of the day .
 

buckup

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To reinforce what Widows Son has said:-
I asked my local authority (Bucks) about putting a shed on green belt land behind my home. The crux of the matter is whether it is fixed to a foundation. Wood sheds with a wood floor sat on slabs or railway sleepers are not. A concrete sectional garage on a concrete base is.
I hope this helps.
 

Pete E

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Probably the easist and cheapest way is a caravan (preferably large static) or some sort of portabin.

You can get a decent used static caravan for between £500 and £1000 and if looked after and maintained will have probably 5 to 10 years off life left in it...It won't be as grand as a timber built lodge but it still works very well..
 

MarkH

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Did you mean a place like this?

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Planning can be quite hard to get and a static caravan is too easy for unwelcome visitors to spot if its the normal white and cream.

Mark
 

stone

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fantastic Mark :D

Xim
why not get your farmer to apply for a pole barn , ( think you still can)
can't be much cost involed in that application , then at a later date it can get granted status to change of use ,
but in the mean time you just put up a half decent wooden shed on the same site surround it by leylandies and job done everthing thing should be still legal
if they do check up and kick up a fuss then shed easily removed and put back at a later stage or if you want the haas put lodge an appeal that will give you some breathing space and could take years to come to an end
either way i shouldn't worry to much, as garden sheds don't seem to attract to much attention unless in the public eye
 

widows son

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http://www.simply-summerhouses.co.uk/hillhout_scotland_cabin.htm#infopanel

Here's a company that build log cabins (SHEDS) the prices for what you get in pretty good you'd be looking for something like 10x14 .

Ive assembled these child's play .

Again no planning restrictions apply its a SHED at the end of the day the foundations and building materials, that give you the problems with planning the word KISS should be used it equates to,
KEEP IT SIMPLE STUPID ,
then you won't get any bother from planning, local councils a like .

I see where Pete is coming from ,Ive turned caravans into a cabins by cladding the outside with 4x2 timber king span insulation and weather board and painted it ,the biggest problem is getting the static van into some of your areas, where a shed made up of good sized panels is far easier to move by hand bolted together the foundations can be timber sleepers RSJ ,H beams anything that will give you an air space saves the floor rotting .

This is what i do for a living built timber framed houses, chalets, log cabins, farm sheds the ish I deal with planning every week the more you keep it simply the easier it is tell them nothing .
 

MarkH

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The problem arises if you kept anything valuable in the shed/cabin and it gets damaged or an insurance claim is required. I.e. you may have to store your firearm in it etc etc. while doing something or other 100 yds away. Then it becomes an illegal structure and poo hits the fan.
You would be amazed at how many of the locals will know about the cabin within 10 minutes of the first plank being layed down.

Mark
 

doghound

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You can tell all you need about a fella by his cabin and Mark H you are one quality dude. Right down to the Lavazza coffee maker.

I bet you spend hours there, i would.
 

Claret_Dabbler

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doghound said:
You can tell all you need about a fella by his cabin and Mark H you are one quality dude. Right down to the Lavazza coffee maker.

I bet you spend hours there, i would.

Absolutely.

Mark, I could live in a place like that pretty much permanently. I even know where I want to put it.

Wife would probably divorce me, but, what the hell...
 

widows son

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Guys were losing it here a little, were now going a bit off track

IE insurance ,valuables, leaving weapons Hmmm.

Insurance yes this is possible .

The valuables ,how valuable ? Rembrandt, Van Gogh ,its easy enough to buy a couple of metal lock boxes ,site tool boxes for any valuables .

Weapons, Ammo, No chance your governed by the terms of your FAC certificate, that means where your normal place of residence ,is where they must be secured when not in use ,if out shooting, stalking must make sure they are as secure as possible from theft etc .
 

widows son

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This is a shooting shed cabin that is attached to a stalking syndicate thats run by one of the members of passion for stalking ,nothing elaberate but comfortable for the weekends stalking in my eyes, this is the ballocks
not like your swedish and german shooting huts ,that can be booked for shooting stalking they come with all mod cons .

Its stalking we're doing not looking for a night in the hilton, cheap and easy
 

MarkH

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As far as insurance is concerned log cabins burn well. Thats why I have planning permission on mine as there is overnight accommodation. It took 3 years to get the planning but then one day I will put a more permanent structure there and this initial planning will help.

Mark
 

widows son

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Your right they do burn well ,so did the world trade centres they were made from steel and concrete there are very few impervious materials that fire won't damage .
Your lucky to get a permanency on your cabin as its not for a permanent worker IE farm worker ? what were the implications for your outline planning application ??
Even under Scottish land reform bill there was no leniency toward build grants for dwellings within the countryside ,there were a few granted under biodiversity within farm and estate lands to help with regeneration of jobs and tourism.
I ask the questions as i deal with these problems a lot, with new build properties and extending properties, the problems encountered can range from the view from the road to your neighbour who is two miles way can't see the sun set .
 

MarkH

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To answer your question - I havent a clue. In the end I paid a local architect to put the planning app in for me and strangely enough it got through after a chunk of cash got paid. Ho Hum
You would be amazed how difficult it can be to get planning for a wooden buliding in 300 acres of trees on no fixed foundations can be. What was interesting was the horrific golf driving range +floodlighting that springs up right next to another large block of forestry near by. Planners prefer to play golf rather than grow trees

Mark
 

widows son

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Been there seen that ,there seems to be more planning applications sorted in golf courses ,than in county buildings where it should be decided.

I hate using architects for anything there costs spiral right out of the park untill they make a bad decision ,never seen people try to back pedal so quick , its never them then its more cash ,untill they find out it is there fault never see any cash roll back my way .

cheers .
 

Labrador

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Try looking at the "Finnlodge" range of cabins from Finland. May be just up your street (well forest ride anyway)!
 
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