can you shoot 22-250 at bisley??

[mickey308]

Hi all,

Granted, BSRC do not to allow the use of both the .22-250 and the .220 swift on the statics and Running Deer.

The dispensation that has been granted concerning "Vermin Calibre Cartridges" could be put to argument at a myriad of calibres and bullet weights that either can, or cannot be used? Such as the person that might for instance load his .243Win with 58 grain V-Max that will be going down range at close on 3930 fps with a muzzle energy of 1866.9 ft-lbs this, against the .22-250 with a 50 grain V-Max at 4000 fps and a muzzle energy of 1776 ft-lbs. Difference???? But the question was can it be used? Yes, but not general use as ndt man has said a zero target on the HME lane.....no limit on the amount of rounds used to do this. All at the discretion of the RCO notwithstanding time or people waiting to use it.

The .17HMR can be used quite categorically but only on the statics. Not, Time Limit, Mid Boar or the .22LR Zero range. The BSRC complex is different to all of the other ranges on the Bisley complex as it is a Field Firing Range with the exception of Stickledown that has the same field firing trace on all 50 targets.

Debate on calibres and ballistics will go on and on and interpretations of rules and regulations that may be a little bit grey will differ also. The main thing being that we all have a good, safe time. Hope to meet lots of you on the 8th of June.

Warmest regards to all,

Mickey

 

[Alycidon]

Well that seems to be a relief to all.

A

 

[ndt man]

Well that seems to be a relief to all.

A

well done to all now we can all sleep soundly tonight. and im looking forward to seeing you all on the 8th of june . so long as you dont turn up with your 22-250 or 338

 

[49ERIC]

well done to all now we can all sleep soundly tonight. and im looking forward to seeing you all on the 8th of june . so long as you dont turn up with your 22-250 or 338

AAR I Understand that 1.7 hmr is also off the menu

 

[stratts]

What about .22WMR as it's a bit slower?!

 

[Sinistral]

The Gallery Range Rules permit any ".22 rimfire" no matter what sort it is.

The advent of the .17HMR was a problem not because of it's MV, but more because as a new boy on the block it wasn't specifically written on the Safety Certificate for "rimfire ranges"

 

[I. Farticus]

The Gallery Range Rules permit any ".22 rimfire" no matter what sort it is.

Don't know about the rest of Bisley, but for BSRC: Gallery rifles are allowed, but only for Historic Matches, otherwise it's .22LR only on the 50m targets, static and Running Boar. No other .22 rimfire calibres allowed

 

[M275]

well done to all now we can all sleep soundly tonight. and im looking forward to seeing you all on the 8th of june . so long as you dont turn up with your 22-250 or 338

My understanding is that a 338 is now usable at Bisley provided it is below the HME threshold, HOWEVER, BSRC still have a blanket ban on anything firing .338" diameter bullets.

 

[Orvil]

My understanding is that a 338 is now usable at Bisley provided it is below the HME threshold, HOWEVER, BSRC still have a blanket ban on anything firing .338" diameter bullets.

Just out of interest, who was it that fed you that little chestnut?

 

[billh]

I'm not sure vermin bullets are excluded, see 2 b ii below. This has just been copied from the Bisley Rules.

2 Firearms and Ammunition
a All shooters are responsible for ensuring that their firearms and ammunition are safe to use. All
firearms and ammunition must be made available for inspection and testing whenever required. The
regulations concerning dangerous ammunition are laid out in Appendix VI of the NRA Handbook,
Rules of Shooting (the Bisley Bible), which is available on request.
b Unless the CE has given prior permission in writing, use of the following on Bisley ranges is
prohibited:
i Tracer; incendiary; armour piercing; armour piercing incendiary (API); depleted uranium;
ammunition containing any igniferous or explosive substance.
ii Projectiles of any construction other than lead core with gilding metal or soft iron jacket,
including specifically mono-metallic bullets (ie made from a single metal) except solid lead
bullets.
c Cartridges which, when normally loaded, would exceed the ME/MV limits of any specific range,
may not be used on that range even if downloaded.
d Limits as to Calibre, Muzzle Velocity and Muzzle Energy
No firearm and ammunition combination which develops a muzzle energy exceeding 7000 J (5160 ft
lb) may be used on any of the Bisley ranges without the specific permission of the CE which must be
sought in writing well in advance of the planned use. The following limits apply:
i for Rifle ranges, no specific calibre limitation but:
a maximum muzzle velocity of 1000 m/s (3280 ft/s) and
a maximum muzzle energy of 4500 J (3319 ft lb);
ii for Gallery Rifle and Pistol ranges, no specific calibre limitation but:
a maximum muzzle velocity of 655 m/s (2150 ft/s) and
a maximum muzzle energy of 2030 J (1496 ft lb).

 

[M275]

Just out of interest, who was it that fed you that little chestnut?

The last time I was on the BSRC Statics range the restrictions notice said that 338 was prohibited. The Bisley range regulations on the NRA website no longer exclude 338 provided that it's below HME energy levels. BSRC have other regulations on bullet diameter and case capacity for Running Deer and the electronics statics targets too, which are additional to the HME rules.

 

[Orvil]

The last time I was on the BSRC Statics range the restrictions notice said that 338 was prohibited. The Bisley range regulations on the NRA website no longer exclude 338 provided that it's below HME energy levels. BSRC have other regulations on bullet diameter and case capacity for Running Deer and the electronics statics targets too, which are additional to the HME rules.

Can you give me a link to exactly where you found that as the current regulations (23rd April 2014) still state nothing ".338" allowed (Range Safety Regulations 2.g.iii). I'm not calling you a liar or anything, just that if the NRA is publishing one thing when the regs state clearly another - we need to get our **** together.
Thanks for your help

 

[M275]

Can you give me a link to exactly where you found that as the current regulations (23rd April 2014) still state nothing ".338" allowed (Range Safety Regulations 2.g.iii). I'm not calling you a liar or anything, just that if the NRA is publishing one thing when the regs state clearly another - we need to get our **** together.
Thanks for your help

I'm referring to the same document, Range Safety Regulations Version 2, 23rd April 2014, as downloaded from the NRA website under Bookings > Range Regulations. This section hasn't changed since the Version 2, March 2012 issue.

Section 2.g.iii only prohibits HME .338 rifles. I can't see anything in the regulations prohibiting the use of non-HME .338 rifles. Sections 2.g.i and 2.g.ii makes it clear that the definition of HME is based on the combination of rifle and ammunition in use at the time.

Therefore, .338 Federal should be fine, .338-06 would have to stick to the lower half of the load map, .338 Win Mag could use the lower third, .340 Weatherby would need starter loads, but .338 Rem Ultra, .338 Norma and .338 Lapua Mags would probably struggle to find a low enough load to be safe and accurate.

 

[Klenchblaize]

I'm referring to the same document, Range Safety Regulations Version 2, 23rd April 2014, as downloaded from the NRA website under Bookings > Range Regulations. This section hasn't changed since the Version 2, March 2012 issue.

Section 2.g.iii only prohibits HME .338 rifles. I can't see anything in the regulations prohibiting the use of non-HME .338 rifles. Sections 2.g.i and 2.g.ii makes it clear that the definition of HME is based on the combination of rifle and ammunition in use at the time.

Therefore, .338 Federal should be fine, .338-06 would have to stick to the lower half of the load map, .338 Win Mag could use the lower third, .340 Weatherby would need starter loads, but .338 Rem Ultra, .338 Norma and .338 Lapua Mags would probably struggle to find a low enough load to be safe and accurate.

So much so you may as well opt for an alternative 1000 yard boomer from the outset, thus saving on the cost of a re-barrel when you realise it simply won't be possible to enter the very competitions you purchased it for!!

K

 

[Orvil]

I'm referring to the same document, Range Safety Regulations Version 2, 23rd April 2014, as downloaded from the NRA website under Bookings > Range Regulations. This section hasn't changed since the Version 2, March 2012 issue.

Section 2.g.iii only prohibits HME .338 rifles. I can't see anything in the regulations prohibiting the use of non-HME .338 rifles. Sections 2.g.i and 2.g.ii makes it clear that the definition of HME is based on the combination of rifle and ammunition in use at the time.

Therefore, .338 Federal should be fine, .338-06 would have to stick to the lower half of the load map, .338 Win Mag could use the lower third, .340 Weatherby would need starter loads, but .338 Rem Ultra, .338 Norma and .338 Lapua Mags would probably struggle to find a low enough load to be safe and accurate.

I hate to be a party pooper but the Regs are there for a reason and trying to get round them with "It's downloaded" will not wash with the management. Chances are extremely high that you'll be flung off the range before you have a chance to get out your chrony data as supporting evidence.
It's not just the NRA you're going up against, it's the MOD too... Good luck in your endeavors!

 

[Klenchblaize]

Yep, its one thing for a representative of the MOD to send lead into an adjoining village when their knob twiddling becomes somewhat 'confused' but no Civilian will be allowed to gamble with Stickledown's backstop and a 338.

K

 

[I. Farticus]

As discussed:
It allegedly harks back to someone from the Hereford area, still with dust on his boots, having a tracer round disappear straight up a few years ago from a fairly hot bit of kit straight into the flightpath for Farnborough.

It is a knob twiddling issue, AND what happens to the rounds once they've left the end of the barrel on a legitimate trajectory!

Personally, I'd just not bother