As the OP mentions, they are loony tunes and can be about at all times of the clock, believe me a mate & I have golf courses on our remit & have bumped "Golfers" in the full dark
Canada Geese 22lr.
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Vermin are not defined as such in law although some species are mentioned in some acts. the question was asked inParliament in 2003 and the following is an exert from Hansard....
8 Oct 2003 : Column WA60
Vermin
Lord Selsdon asked Her Majesty's Government:
- Which mammals and other animals are classified as "vermin".[HL4559]
Lord Whitty: There is no definition of the term "vermin" in UK law. In such a situation the Oxford Dictionary definition should be applied.
The Oxford Dictionary defines "vermin" as "Animals of a noxious or objectionable kind. Originally applied to reptiles, stealthy, or slinky animals, and various wild beasts; now, excluding in US and Australia, almost entirely restricted to those animals or birds which prey upon preserved game . . ."
The Small Ground Vermin Traps Order 1958 and the various Spring Traps Approval Orders, refer to "small ground vermin". Neither the orders nor the Pests Act 1954, under which they are made, define this term or provide an exclusive list of species. However, the following animals are listed under various orders: moles, grey squirrels, rabbits, mink, stoats, weasels, rabbits, rats, and mice.
Traps approved under the Spring Traps Approval Order 1995 do not apply to small ground vermin listed in Schedules 5 and 6 to the Wildlife and Countryside Act 1981. This means that red squirrels, dormice, water voles, shrews, hedgehogs, polecats and a number of other species are excluded.
Your not alone, even had them playing in 6” of snow when the course was closed.As the OP mentions, they are loony tunes and can be about at all times of the clock, believe me a mate & I have golf courses on our remit & have bumped "Golfers" in the full dark
shakey jake
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its a bit of a mine field with no clear facts, but my point remains if he has ever shot a crow or woodieits the same difference. it would be a lot simpler if pointless conditions were removed. if you were inclinded to shoot a protected species would a condition stop you? and if caught you have shot a protected species again the condition is irrelavant
Squirrelbasher
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Mine says AOLQ on everything, including fac air.
Just thought
, maybe they trust me to make sensible decisions?
Just thought
, maybe they trust me to make sensible decisions?
One on top of two
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I use a .223 f—king things , out to 300 ish meters I get no runners .
David.evans
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And me 223 and they don’t take off
.223R was our recommended use by central science lab.
'Nut' them with a rimmy and they flap for quite a while. They're too stupid to know they're dead those things.
I used to hold a licence to shoot them all year as agricultural pests on an Estate and I always used the .22 LR. Most of the time I was able to get close enough for a good head shot, but the few I drilled in the body were just as DRT as the 'nutted' ones.
If you shoot them on the water BEWARE of ricochets from the water. 22 rimy rounds bounce enough to make Barnes Wallace happy. Watch out for swans on the water too. Swans will tolerate geese on 'their' water, but only just. The instant a swan sees a goose in trouble it will attack it with absolute ferocity and do it can to drown the goose. It's quite a sight to see and would, no doubt, add to problems from any 'ball-whacking wanderers' already taking offence at the proceedings.
Never seen one do so much as twitch if I spoke to it with the .270 but it doesn't make for good eating.
I used to hold a licence to shoot them all year as agricultural pests on an Estate and I always used the .22 LR. Most of the time I was able to get close enough for a good head shot, but the few I drilled in the body were just as DRT as the 'nutted' ones.
If you shoot them on the water BEWARE of ricochets from the water. 22 rimy rounds bounce enough to make Barnes Wallace happy. Watch out for swans on the water too. Swans will tolerate geese on 'their' water, but only just. The instant a swan sees a goose in trouble it will attack it with absolute ferocity and do it can to drown the goose. It's quite a sight to see and would, no doubt, add to problems from any 'ball-whacking wanderers' already taking offence at the proceedings.
Never seen one do so much as twitch if I spoke to it with the .270 but it doesn't make for good eating.
By that definition a large majority of humans are now fair game . Note sarcasm in use.
i know of a typo that meant someone got Human dispatch on their ticket.......
Just my experience but when shooting anything with sub optimal power eg pigeon with sub 12 or geese with 22/hmr I find hitting from behind right between or just below the shoulder blades is very destructive and increases the clean kill rate also works on rats as well . Basically drilling them along the line of the Spine which is less protected from behind.
I had one on the pond/lake swam into position took the shot with the rimfire spot on, We spent the next ten minutes in a row boat trying to finish the job, stealth and low profile went completely out the window. They do' take some k~'*^:# make no mistake?
BC.
BC.
plainly not spot on then ! I can tell you one number 3 steel will drop a goose out the sky stone dead in the air from a long way up but even a BBB lead at equal range wont bring your goose down unless you get it in the right place .
Very hard to kill geese with a single shot to the head because the brain is really tiny withing the scull . Anyone who gets the chance should at least once should carfully find where in the head it is and believe me you will wonder and at the same time realise brain size has nothing to do with bird intelligence ! " bird brain" is a mis-used phrase. Small ? yes! Stupid ? no way !
Overlay
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check with your licensing dept and the area you are intending to shoot the geese if not the same area, general licence make sure you are compliant some police force wildlife officers do say in some areas 22 centre fire is the accepted calibre, from experience 22 rimmy 22 WMR 17 HMR don’t cut it to be honest
i use my 222 with 35 grn NT that does the job very well no flappers no flying off to drop on a road, 150 -250 yds away in a safe shoot position, you will get more on the ground from a distance
alternatively keep knocking the lead birds out when they flight in using a moderated 12 gauge 4 shot steel, that will also have the desired effect
i use my 222 with 35 grn NT that does the job very well no flappers no flying off to drop on a road, 150 -250 yds away in a safe shoot position, you will get more on the ground from a distance
alternatively keep knocking the lead birds out when they flight in using a moderated 12 gauge 4 shot steel, that will also have the desired effect
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