Choice of non-toxic factory ammo

pob

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#1
I shoot an R8 6.5 X 55 which I am very happy with, but I'm looking to put in a variation and get restrictions changed on my certificate.

I'm also working towards deer management opportunities with conservation bodies, who have mostly adopted the FC lease requirements. DSC2, EFAW+F and use of factory non-toxic ammunition. I'd imagine this will be largely Muntjac and the odd fallow, woodland stalking.

Is there a calibre that jumps out as best choice in this situation in terms of cost, performance and obtainability? .243" or .308"?
Or should I just be prepared for a good cry whatever I feed it?

I'd appreciate any relevant advice. Thanks in advance.
 

A Guy Out West

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#2
Go with the .308. The pure copper stuff is longer than the traditional lead and copper bullets and you might have stabilization issues in the .243 using heaver bullets. Not sure as I have not tried it. Nun hunter seem to be able to get the 130 gr. Barnes TTX in .308. The 130 gr. TTX should be good for everything in the UK and most other places as well.

Sorry, just realized you were asking for factory ammo. Barnes does make factory ammo but is really spendy. Not sure if you can get the loaded rounds over there. I believe Nosler also has factory loaded E- bullets. Again, real spendy.

I stopped in the sporting good store at lunch, a box of loaded Barnes ammo is $39.99! I don't even want to think abut what they would soak you for it over there. YOU need to get into hand loading. Heck a simple Lee loader would do the trick.
 
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NigelM

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#3
Solid copper bullets such as the Barnes work best at higher than average velocities. Whatever calibre you choose I would recommend a light for calibre bullet driven in excess of 3000 ft per second. I am using a 6.5 Lapua for Fallow and downwards shooting a 100 grain Barnes TTSX at 3250 ft/sec. They are highly effective on chest shots, very reliable if you go through a shoulder and cause more drop on the spots than any other bullet I have used. Meat damage is also minimal. The downside is that due to the lack of fragmentation neck shots have to be bang on the money or you will get a pass through without disrupting the CNS. If neck shooting is required I use a 6mm and fragmenting lead bullets. Hope that helps.
 

Brimfire

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#5
I shoot an R8 6.5 X 55 which I am very happy with, but I'm looking to put in a variation and get restrictions changed on my certificate.

I'm also working towards deer management opportunities with conservation bodies, who have mostly adopted the FC lease requirements. DSC2, EFAW+F and use of factory non-toxic ammunition. I'd imagine this will be largely Muntjac and the odd fallow, woodland stalking.

Is there a calibre that jumps out as best choice in this situation in terms of cost, performance and obtainability? .243" or .308"?
Or should I just be prepared for a good cry whatever I feed it?

I'd appreciate any relevant advice. Thanks in advance.
Get something with a Schultz & Larsen barrel. You will not find any problems shooting lead free ammo through the barrel however lead free ammo inherently fouls badly.

So get a good cleaning regime planned.
 

pob

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#6
Would be worth trying the ,sako load with the 120g TSX Bullet in 6.5x55 as you have one already
Yes, I think I saw a thread of yours mentioning this before. I will try this. Thank you.
I have confidence in my current setup, but I do need to submit a variation to have "that" conversation. I wondered if a new calibre would serve me better when using non toxic factory ammo, as the terms dictate?
Thanks for all the input so far Gentlemen.
 

Erik Hamburger

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#7
I am in the same position as you (stalking for a Conservation Charity) and possibly more to follow in the near future, with lead-free becoming a requirement. It appears .308 WIN is widely available in factory lead-free, but .343 WIN is not, with RFD's quoting suspected stabilisation issues with a .243 WIN lead-free bullet. So the .308 WIN would be the best choice in your case.
 

srvet

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#8
Yes, I think I saw a thread of yours mentioning this before. I will try this. Thank you.
I have confidence in my current setup, but I do need to submit a variation to have "that" conversation. I wondered if a new calibre would serve me better when using non toxic factory ammo, as the terms dictate?
Thanks for all the input so far Gentlemen.
I dont know if you have come across Nathan Foster's website from NZ but he talks about the 120g TSX from the 6.5x55. He usually slates non lead bullets but he seems more than happy in this case.

http://www.ballisticstudies.com/Knowledgebase/6.5x55.html

So far I have found his opinion on things to be pretty accurate, I have not tried the 120g TSX myself but would definitely be happy to do so based on his comments
 

pob

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#11
Golden stuff gents, thank you.
I'll try some of the factory 6.5 mentioned, but submit a variation for. 308WIN.
One of my local gunshops sells 308 non-toxic to the stalkers for a nearby "estate". He mentioned that they don't use much :), hence all the deer about
 

Uncas

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#12
I have just been looking at the Hornady ammunition website,
You can buy the 120gr G.M.X. Superformance ammo at 2850fps, and it is none fouling unlike the the Barnes bullets.
This is for your 6.5x55.
 

srvet

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#13
I have just been looking at the Hornady ammunition website,
You can buy the 120gr G.M.X. Superformance ammo at 2850fps, and it is none fouling unlike the the Barnes bullets.
This is for your 6.5x55.
I have been using Barnes for perhaps 10 years and have not noted excessive fouling. I believe the old x bullets without the grooved bullet shank tended to foul more than most but the TSX and TTSX do not appear to foul to any great degree. Have you experience of TSX bullets fouling or have you just repeated third hand here say based on the old x bullets?
 
#14
I have been using Barnes for perhaps 10 years and have not noted excessive fouling. I believe the old x bullets without the grooved bullet shank tended to foul more than most but the TSX and TTSX do not appear to foul to any great degree. Have you experience of TSX bullets fouling or have you just repeated third hand here say based on the old x bullets?
I haven't shot copious amounts of TSX's but they don't foul any worse than jacketed bullets in my .222 & .270.
 

NigelM

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#15
I haven't shot copious amounts of TSX's but they don't foul any worse than jacketed bullets in my .222 & .270.
Agreed. I am a bit of a cleaning fanatic and I don't find the TTSX any worse than the Nosler bullets I used to use. The copper fouling in the barrel thing is a legacy left over from the old X bullets and is no longer relevant.
 

Big Kev

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#17
I have just been looking at the Hornady ammunition website,
You can buy the 120gr G.M.X. Superformance ammo at 2850fps, and it is none fouling unlike the the Barnes bullets.
This is for your 6.5x55.
I know we're not talking home loads but I bought two boxes of the 150gn GMX heads for the 308, I'm not sure if its the difference in barrels but I've never had as many blue patches out the end of a barrel in one cleaning session as I did with them.
 

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