Dodgy moment...

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gixer1

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Had a moment yesterday evening that I thought I'd share to hopefully benefit others, I have had my Tikka T3 30-06 for a few months now and have shot a few roe and a few foxes with it and fired probably around 80-100 rounds through it, I had it out last night and was on a piece of land and so had the muzzle up in the air - I cycled the bolt and chambered a round and went to apply the safety and the rifle went off...much to my shock...

i cycled the bolt without a round in and again it cocked the bolt but fired as I applied the safety...obviously this had me a bit spooked so I up the rifle in the car and took my 243 out.

one of the first stops today was my local gun shop who took the action out of the stock and discovered the trigger assembly had worked loose - there was also a spring on the assembly that had dropped out due to the trigger assembly being loose.

my gun shop kindly gave me a new trigger assembly and fitted it and we tested the rifle giving all the usual thump, drop and wiggle everything test.

one thing I noticed on the rifle and a brand new T3 we had a look at in the shop was the main cap screw that holds the assembly into the action is not locktited on, this to me on a caliber with a fair thump of recoil was surprising so this serves to warn others that it's worth checking your rifle over just to make sure, also the need for muzzle awareness is paramount.

its a frightening thought when you think if it had been pointed in the wrong direction or worse in a truck lamping with a rifle inside the cab, plenty of people will quietly load a round when a fox is spotted and the need to ensure you are in a safe position is so so important. I am SO SO glad the people who have mentored and taught me over the years hav always drummed the safety aspect into me and muzzle awareness was one of those things.

i for one will be shortening the time between full strip downs now on all my rifles now to check all fasteners and I would strongly ask other people do the same.

regards,
gixer
 
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Ranger22

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Heard that before about T3`s. I suppose when one screw is relied upon to secure a trigger unit in place your asking a lot, two would be far better.

​Al
 

howy308

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Extremely lucky good job you had good mentors. As with any firearm safety is paramount, I have seen some dangerous shooting men in my time with shotguns and it has been a wonder that there has not been more accidents across the country. It is a good thing that you let people know what could happen and just hope the ones new to shooting read the thread.
 

Cernunnos

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Thanks for sharing that very sobering account. It demonstrates how essential correct handling and maintenance is.
 

Sharpie

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I had it out last night and was on a piece of land and so had the muzzle up in the air - I cycled the bolt and chambered a round and went to apply the safety and the rifle went off...much to my shock...

Thanks for sharing Gixer, but thats very poor rifle handling, if I have understood correctly.

Only ever load when pointing the rifle at the ground. Away from you, into soft earth. Fundamental rule, any mentor should have drummed this into you. Loading and unloading, always pointing at the ground.

As well as trigger finger discipline.

Who knows where your bullet went :eek:.

I am also struggling to understand why the rifle fired when you applied the safety. Knowing the T3 mechanism that seems most unlikely, whatever was wrong with the trigger.
 

gixer1

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Thanks for sharing Gixer, but thats very poor rifle handling, if I have understood correctly.

Only ever load when pointing the rifle at the ground. Away from you, into soft earth. Fundamental rule, any mentor should have drummed this into you. Loading and unloading, always pointing at the ground.

As well as trigger finger discipline.

Who knows where your bullet went :eek:.

I am also struggling to understand why the rifle fired when you applied the safety. Knowing the T3 mechanism that seems most unlikely, whatever was wrong with the trigger.


i really don't give a sh*t how unlikely you feel it may be. - the fact of the matter is it happened, and please tell me how you can always keep a loaded rifle muzzle pointed at soft earth?

I also fail to see how trigger finger discipline comes into it as my finger was 100% no where near the trigger.

I really couldnt give a monkeys on opinions about this - it was meant as a warning about the trigger mechanism.
 

Sharpie

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i really don't give a sh*t how unlikely you feel it may be. - the fact of the matter is it happened, and please tell me how you can always keep a loaded rifle muzzle pointed at soft earth?

From the way you described it, you loaded it and then applied the safety with the "muzzle up in the air".

It doesn't matter to me what caused the discharge, that is not acceptable.

If that is what happened, your bullet could have gone anywhere.

Only ever load or unload whilst pointing at the ground. If you still have issues with this advice, please take it to PM.
 

gixer1

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From the way you described it, you loaded it and then applied the safety with the "muzzle up in the air".

It doesn't matter to me what caused the discharge, that is not acceptable.

If that is what happened, your bullet could have gone anywhere.

Only ever load or unload whilst pointing at the ground. If you still have issues with this advice, please take it to PM.

Muzzle pointing down is not always the safest direction, it's why most rifles are shouldered when carried, a round hitting the ground will not always stop there, I have no need to take it to pm as I have nothing to hide.
 

charlie-hunter

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From the way you described it, you loaded it and then applied the safety with the "muzzle up in the air".

It doesn't matter to me what caused the discharge, that is not acceptable.

If that is what happened, your bullet could have gone anywhere.

Only ever load or unload whilst pointing at the ground. If you still have issues with this advice, please take it to PM.

I think it is acceptable , I was taught "point the muzzle down or up never across" . why carry a rifle muzzle up? do you always take the safety off or chamber a second round pointing into "nice soft ground"? I dont and i'm sure i'm not the only one on here.
very surprising that such a reliable rifle would have such a simple fault.
 

ejg

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Never heard of this happening before however it makes sense if the screw that holds the trigger unit loosens.
thanks for the heads up.
Remmy might be safer with two pins that can't fall out as long as the rifle is in the stock.
edi
 

branko

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Mines a 6.5x55 will give it a lookover today thanks for the warning

Had a moment yesterday evening that I thought I'd share to hopefully benefit others, I have had my Tikka T3 30-06 for a few months now and have shot a few roe and a few foxes with it and fired probably around 80-100 rounds through it, I had it out last night and was on a piece of land and so had the muzzle up in the air - I cycled the bolt and chambered a round and went to apply the safety and the rifle went off...much to my shock...

i cycled the bolt without a round in and again it cocked the bolt but fired as I applied the safety...obviously this had me a bit spooked so I up the rifle in the car and took my 243 out.

one of the first stops today was my local gun shop who took the action out of the stock and discovered the trigger assembly had worked loose - there was also a spring on the assembly that had dropped out due to the trigger assembly being loose.

my gun shop kindly gave me a new trigger assembly and fitted it and we tested the rifle giving all the usual thump, drop and wiggle everything test.

one thing I noticed on the rifle and a brand new T3 we had a look at in the shop was the main cap screw that holds the assembly into the action is not locktited on, this to me on a caliber with a fair thump of recoil was surprising so this serves to warn others that it's worth checking your rifle over just to make sure, also the need for muzzle awareness is paramount.

its a frightening thought when you think if it had been pointed in the wrong direction or worse in a truck lamping with a rifle inside the cab, plenty of people will quietly load a round when a fox is spotted and the need to ensure you are in a safe position is so so important. I am SO SO glad the people who have mentored and taught me over the years hav always drummed the safety aspect into me and muzzle awareness was one of those things.

i for one will be shortening the time between full strip downs now on all my rifles now to check all fasteners and I would strongly ask other people do the same.

regards,
gixer
 

gixer1

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Bottom line, poor maintenance.

I wouldn't argue with that....although I am surprised as it has fired 100 rounds since leaving the rfd, and I've got to be honest and say my rifles usually get fully taken apart (stock off etc) annually. This duration will now be reduced.

How many people honestly take their stock off regularly to clean/check their rifles though??

regards,
gixer
 

ejg

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Bottom line, poor maintenance.
Maybe partially, but at the end of the day just a poor design from Tikka. It is not "will it happen?", more like "when will it happen?".
They should have rather copied Remington.
Then again isn't the Howa trigger also screwed on with one M4 screw? Any problems with that?
edi
 

j0e_bl0ggs

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Maybe partially, but at the end of the day just a poor design from Tikka. It is not "will it happen?", more like "when will it happen?".
They should have rather copied Remington.
Then again isn't the Howa trigger also screwed on with one M4 screw? Any problems with that?
edi

That's right, offset the lack of maintenance with the unqualified 'poor design' motif.
Torque the screw down correctly problem solved, when cleaning rifle check torque simples.
 

ejg

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Yes problem would be solved...but,
take 100 well serviced T3's from their owners and check the torque on that particular screw.
What are you going to find? 10% correct? maybe 15%
That is reality.
Check 100 Remingtons...if the pins are in place....100% I presume.
Reality.
edi
 

gixer1

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That's right, offset the lack of maintenance with the unqualified 'poor design' motif.
Torque the screw down correctly problem solved, when cleaning rifle check torque simples.


And how often do you check the torque on all the bolts on your rifles? After 1 round? 2? 10? 100? And of course your torque wrench is calibrated every quarter yes?

please also state the correct torque for all bolts on a tikka for the benefit of the forum members as I'd be interested to know.

your post is coming across as a little self righteous to be honest.

Regards,
​Gixer
 
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.243Ady

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i really don't give a sh*t how unlikely you feel it may be. - the fact of the matter is it happened, and please tell me how you can always keep a loaded rifle muzzle pointed at soft earth?

I also fail to see how trigger finger discipline comes into it as my finger was 100% no where near the trigger.

I really couldnt give a monkeys on opinions about this - it was meant as a warning about the trigger mechanism.
You don't give a ****, nice. You point the barrel at the ground whilst chambering a round and apply the safety. You know the safety can be applied before the round is chambered its bad practise to apply the safety after the round is chambered. Loading a rifle with the barrel in the air is bad practise by anyones standards, as for chambering a round with the barrel inside the truck, good luck with that :scared:
 

Tackleberry270

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..... rocky ground. Plenty of reasons to load pointing upwards but more reasons to point at the ground. Sobering post. Thanks for sharing.
 
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