driven scopes

Be careful there Elmer - the premium scope police will be onto you for daring to suggest something as ‘awful’ as a hawke! 😉
HA! I know one forum member I’m surprised hasn’t already piped up in relation to this!

We all know the Swaro/Zeiss/S&B glass is the clearest out there especially in high mag ranges but for this sort of thing where you’re looking at 1-8x mag the differences are smaller.

When push comes to shove does a Rolex tell better time than a Seiko? Does a B25 shoot better than a grade1 b525? Arguably yes but that’s a personal decision for you, your wallet and probably not your wife!

I’d recommend paying enough to get the features you need/want because past that, 99% of your shooting will be the tool behind the rifle not the one on top of it!
 
HA! I know one forum member I’m surprised hasn’t already piped up in relation to this!

We all know the Swaro/Zeiss/S&B glass is the clearest out there especially in high mag ranges but for this sort of thing where you’re looking at 1-8x mag the differences are smaller.

When push comes to shove does a Rolex tell better time than a Seiko? Does a B25 shoot better than a grade1 b525? Arguably yes but that’s a personal decision for you, your wallet and probably not your wife!

I’d recommend paying enough to get the features you need/want because past that, 99% of your shooting will be the tool behind the rifle not the one on top of it!
I couldn’t agree more!!
 
If it works, don’t change it. I have shot plenty of running game with a fixed 6x42. The reason for these driven scopes is to start an itch that results in your spending well over £1,000 on a new scope and mounts. Spend it on hunting instead.

But would it be something you'd recommend, if someone were to ask your advice ?

The answer also SO depends on the type of ground you're shooting. Somewhere like Turkish mountains, 100m would be considered a close shot, with 200m + not being uncommon. But then you have hunts commonly seen in a lot of the European countries, where 100m would be considered a long shot, and most shots are within 30m, with many much closer, when you only know there's a boar, when it breaks cover meters from you.

Chris, I'd be happy to meet you at H&H, and I'll bring Z8i 1-8 x24, Z8i 1.7-13.3 x 42, and a couple of other scopes you can try.


Heym SR20,

Try this with a 6x42 ;)

Portugal Boar vs Side by Side
 
I have a 1-8x24 S&B on the double rifle the magnification above 5 is a waste of time and will never be used. Depending on the place I'm standing the scope is set on 2x ,sometimes 1x.
On the Mauser I have a 1-5x24 S&B great for driven hunts and handy enough for a bit of stalking. Would I buy a 1-8 x24 scope again? No.
 
But would it be something you'd recommend, if someone were to ask your advice ?

The answer also SO depends on the type of ground you're shooting. Somewhere like Turkish mountains, 100m would be considered a close shot, with 200m + not being uncommon. But then you have hunts commonly seen in a lot of the European countries, where 100m would be considered a long shot, and most shots are within 30m, with many much closer, when you only know there's a boar, when it breaks cover meters from you.

Chris, I'd be happy to meet you at H&H, and I'll bring Z8i 1-8 x24, Z8i 1.7-13.3 x 42, and a couple of other scopes you can try.


Heym SR20,

Try this with a 6x42 ;)

Portugal Boar vs Side by Side
Would I recommend - perhaps not. But then I know plenty of German hunters routinely shoot everything with 6x.

It very much depends on gun fit. With mine - I throw gun up and cross hairs aligned with target. I have used it lots on the running boar range as well. It works. I also have a 1-4x20 with a red dot reticle which I could easily use. Both are on claws.

And I have used it very close to far.

What I absolutely would suggest to anybody is no more than 6x, make sure scope is low and the gun / scope handles like a fine shotgun.

Look at target, close eyes and bring gun up and sights should be aligned.

Most clay grounds in the UK have running rabbits. Put a scope on a shotgun - semi autos often have cuts for a scope, or a red dot sight. And over several sessions get used to using an optic on a running target witj both eyes open. Start with open choke and move to full choke as you get better. Zero so cross hairs are middle of pattern.

With full choke shot spread is probably only dinner plate size and when you centre pattern clay will evaporate. When you go to a rifle, same technique, but the bullet is centre of pattern and target much bigger than a clay.

Start behind, swing through kill zone (the clay) and squeeze the trigger.

In Germany there are lots of running boar ranges. I can think of five within half an hour of my friends reviere. In the off season they put hundreds of 22 hornet or 22lr rounds onto running boar targets. And a couple from their boar rifle.

Spend money on practice and developing the skill. Once there it remains, although needs topping up.
 
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When I first went on driven boar hunting trips (starting many years ago in Croatia) I used an illuminated reticle Schmidt-Bender 1.1-4 x 24 because that was what much more experienced hunters than me recommended I should buy for that lark. It was essentially a red-dot sight with the reticle being a lone dot within a circle, there being no post or cross-hairs in that particular model
It sat atop a Blaser R93 in .308w - and plenty of folk do ok with that sort of an outfit, but, I never really grew fond of the combo even though I used it 3-4 times a year for a number of years and killed a few beasts with it.
Following a break from driven hunts I returned to them but this time with a bolt action rifle (I had sold the Blaser and got myself a "real" rifle again) sporting a lovely Swarovski Z8i 1.7-13 x 42.
I found that a much more pleasant rig to use, the rifle had a nice weight and swung well plus it fitted me better than the Blaser.
As for the Swaro scope, at minimum magnification it's perfectly possible to shoot with both eyes open and to use the illuminated & adjustable central dot as a pseudo red-dot scope.
I also liked the fact that the combo seemed to me to be a bit more versatile than my previous kit cos of the extra magnification and larger objective lense
The fella I sold the SB scope to still loves it and uses it regularly, likewise the fella who bought my Blaser - so maybe it's a matter of personal taste as much as anything.
Other friends of mine swear by aimpoints or other red-dot optics but I've never really liked them - again, maybe just personal preference.

However, the best thing I ever did was to get myself to a shooting cinema a few times and practice shooting at moving targets- that did more to improve my shooting abilities than all the expensive kit I've bought or borrowed over the years
 
When I first went on driven boar hunting trips (starting many years ago in Croatia) I used an illuminated reticle Schmidt-Bender 1.1-4 x 24 because that was what much more experienced hunters than me recommended I should buy for that lark. It was essentially a red-dot sight with the reticle being a lone dot within a circle, there being no post or cross-hairs in that particular model
It sat atop a Blaser R93 in .308w - and plenty of folk do ok with that sort of an outfit, but, I never really grew fond of the combo even though I used it 3-4 times a year for a number of years and killed a few beasts with it.
Following a break from driven hunts I returned to them but this time with a bolt action rifle (I had sold the Blaser and got myself a "real" rifle again) sporting a lovely Swarovski Z8i 1.7-13 x 42.
I found that a much more pleasant rig to use, the rifle had a nice weight and swung well plus it fitted me better than the Blaser.
As for the Swaro scope, at minimum magnification it's perfectly possible to shoot with both eyes open and to use the illuminated & adjustable central dot as a pseudo red-dot scope.
I also liked the fact that the combo seemed to me to be a bit more versatile than my previous kit cos of the extra magnification and larger objective lense
The fella I sold the SB scope to still loves it and uses it regularly, likewise the fella who bought my Blaser - so maybe it's a matter of personal taste as much as anything.
Other friends of mine swear by aimpoints or other red-dot optics but I've never really liked them - again, maybe just personal preference.

However, the best thing I ever did was to get myself to a shooting cinema a few times and practice shooting at moving targets- that did more to improve my shooting abilities than all the expensive kit I've bought or borrowed over the years
Totally agree, Im working in Germany at the moment and I hunt regularly here, i will be out on driven game next week, ive got two suitable rifles that I use, one is my .30-06 Schultz and larsen with a Swarovski 1.25-4 x 24 Habicht illuminated ret scope on apel swing off mounts with a Zeiss Diavari 2.5-10 x52 non illuminated ret. The other is my RPA woodland stalker rifle in .308 with a 2.5-10x50 Schmidt and bender polar T96 on it that illuminated.
Both very different setups, but I can shoot both of them on driven game equally as well and so I normally just take which ever one I feel like on the day . Benefits of the schultz with the 1.25-4 x24 is that it’s got a larger field of view and I shoot it without the sound moderator and it isn’t a thumb hole stock so it’s very nice for fast close range woodland shots.
Benefits of the RPA with the 2.5-10 is that it’s got loads more magnification, it’s so short at 400mm barrel length , that it’s actually a nice rifle to handle and shoot freehand with a mod on it.
Where the schultz and larsen comes into its own wearing the 1.25-4x24 is when I’m doing days where I’m walking through as opposed to standing or sitting somewhere. It’s a lighter and more compact rifle and any shots I take are at under 30 m.
If I’m a guest on a driven shoot where I don’t know the ground, I’d always take the RPA with its 25-10 polar or the Schultz and larsen wearing it’s Zeiss Diavari 2.5-10 x52 as, chances are , it will be more likely that I need more magnification than 4 power. Sometimes I Stick the 125-4x24 in my pocket but I rarely bother putting it on.
Don’t be fooled by the scene’s in wild boar fever / Aimpoint advert. etc, most of the shots that I’ve had presented and taken are not high speed swing through jobs, they are far more comfortable momentarily static game animals or moving at a slow trot where a wide field of view in your scope is not anywhere as helpful as an opportunity for a decent bit of magnification. Remember, you need to be certain of the age sex and condition of your animals before taking a shot, you won’t have time to be using bins most likely. If you have a few wild boar moving through, you will be making your final selection while looking through your scope. My 2.5 - 10 scopes are nearly always up on 4 or 6 x magnification for this reason. Some of my most memorable driven game hunting has been where I was sat with my back to the Forrest’s looking out over large fields, scope wound up to 10 x and I can take my time , make my choice and roll one or more off at longer range. Over 10 years ago I had one occasion where I had to roll over a running Überläufer at 280 m on a big wide hilly field of winter wheat, Id not have been doing that with one of those Aimpoint jobs.
Don’t underestimate how well you can shoot with your current set up. Go and stick 20 or 40 cartridges through your rifle over a regular period of time- freehand, static shots and moving, or take a static target and swing through and shoot it if you don’t have a decent moving game range available to you. I’m lucky here as my range is in the next village to me under 10 minutes away. Best investment for you is buying £100 to 200 worth of very cheap range cartridges and practice with them before you go out.
Hope that’s of help .
Kindest regards, Olaf
 
Totally agree, Im working in Germany at the moment and I hunt regularly here, i will be out on driven game next week, ive got two suitable rifles that I use, one is my .30-06 Schultz and larsen with a Swarovski 1.25-4 x 24 Habicht illuminated ret scope on apel swing off mounts with a Zeiss Diavari 2.5-10 x52 non illuminated ret. The other is my RPA woodland stalker rifle in .308 with a 2.5-10x50 Schmidt and bender polar T96 on it that illuminated.
Both very different setups, but I can shoot both of them on driven game equally as well and so I normally just take which ever one I feel like on the day . Benefits of the schultz with the 1.25-4 x24 is that it’s got a larger field of view and I shoot it without the sound moderator and it isn’t a thumb hole stock so it’s very nice for fast close range woodland shots.
Benefits of the RPA with the 2.5-10 is that it’s got loads more magnification, it’s so short at 400mm barrel length , that it’s actually a nice rifle to handle and shoot freehand with a mod on it.
Where the schultz and larsen comes into its own wearing the 1.25-4x24 is when I’m doing days where I’m walking through as opposed to standing or sitting somewhere. It’s a lighter and more compact rifle and any shots I take are at under 30 m.
If I’m a guest on a driven shoot where I don’t know the ground, I’d always take the RPA with its 25-10 polar or the Schultz and larsen wearing it’s Zeiss Diavari 2.5-10 x52 as, chances are , it will be more likely that I need more magnification than 4 power. Sometimes I Stick the 125-4x24 in my pocket but I rarely bother putting it on.
Don’t be fooled by the scene’s in wild boar fever / Aimpoint advert. etc, most of the shots that I’ve had presented and taken are not high speed swing through jobs, they are far more comfortable momentarily static game animals or moving at a slow trot where a wide field of view in your scope is not anywhere as helpful as an opportunity for a decent bit of magnification. Remember, you need to be certain of the age sex and condition of your animals before taking a shot, you won’t have time to be using bins most likely. If you have a few wild boar moving through, you will be making your final selection while looking through your scope. My 2.5 - 10 scopes are nearly always up on 4 or 6 x magnification for this reason. Some of my most memorable driven game hunting has been where I was sat with my back to the Forrest’s looking out over large fields, scope wound up to 10 x and I can take my time , make my choice and roll one or more off at longer range. Over 10 years ago I had one occasion where I had to roll over a running Überläufer at 280 m on a big wide hilly field of winter wheat, Id not have been doing that with one of those Aimpoint jobs.
Don’t underestimate how well you can shoot with your current set up. Go and stick 20 or 40 cartridges through your rifle over a regular period of time- freehand, static shots and moving, or take a static target and swing through and shoot it if you don’t have a decent moving game range available to you. I’m lucky here as my range is in the next village to me under 10 minutes away. Best investment for you is buying £100 to 200 worth of very cheap range cartridges and practice with them before you go out.
Hope that’s of help .
Kindest regards, Olaf
Trouble in the UK is nobody seems to stock cheap range cartridges for hunting rifles like you get in Germany.
 
Trouble in the UK is nobody seems to stock cheap range cartridges for hunting rifles like you get in Germany.
Really? I didn’t know that. I’ve never really paid attention to the uk prices as normally roll my own. At the local gun shop here you can get These bulk bags of most standard hunting cartridges as range ammunition for not much over €1 per cartridge .
They group surprisingly well too. I do enjoy a little time plinking away at the running boar targets at my local range.
They have really nice cake and coffee in the bar area too, it’s a great place to meet up with hunting friends, and, early next year the shooting cinema and a dedicated handgun range will open :D
Kindest regards, Olaf
 
after having a look through a few scopes i ended up going for a swarovski Z8i+ 1-8x24.

will see how i get on with it
Happy hunting! An expensive scope but a massive field of view with 50 m at 100m, impressive. Mine has only got about 28m at 100 m at it’s lowest magnification setting.
Here’s a picture from my driven hunt here in Germany yesterday. I took the Sau at 50 m and it was running pretty fast, about 60% of its potential full speed. It came through from behind me so I swung right through to left, I put 2 shots into it in a short 3 second or so space of time , just enough time to pick it up in the scope, shoot, reload and shoot again. I hit it twice and the second shot was not necessary with hindsight, still, better safe than sorry.
.30-06 schultz and larsen with my Swarovski driven game scope set to 4x magnification.
I’m on another driven hunt next weekend, I will probably take the RPA with the Schmidt and bender polar on it for a change.
Ooh, I nearly forgot to add, I was taking a pee out of my stand when I heard it running through the dry leaves behind the hill I was sat on. After shooting it I realised I was stood there with my pants and trousers hanging around my ankles with my bare bottom for all the trees to see !
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Kindest regards, Olaf
 
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Just takes me straight back, And the great layout and open aspect of the trees too, Happy four hours in the rain,:lol: But the accompanying music is the best ............https://youtu.be/wA5K0Lgtf3s
Volume UP!
 
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Here’s another wild boar that I was fortunate enough to harvest during yesterdays driven hunt I was on here in DE. I took the Schultz and larsen.30-06 with the driven game scope again, as i realised id run out of ammo for the .308 win. a good job too as I was in a stand which provided me with several great shooting options but all quite tight affording me with little target acquisition and reaction time. I took this At 40 m it was the last beast in a sounder of 8 or so that were going like the wind and not stopping, one of the faster boar I’ve ever shot. I didn’t give this one quite enough lead though as the shot landed further back than I’d have liked, still, the 150 gr nosler bt knocked it straight over, it was a high liver shot that clipped the base of its spine. It just needed a knife to draw things to a close. All good though as this one, bar a few Christmas roasting joints, is going to be cured fermented sausages for Christmas. Tarragon, hazelnut garlic and red wine cured sausages to be precise! 📯
Kindest regards, Olaf
 
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